Updated COVID restrictions on circulation

[FrankPintor]

Surely it’s quite right that schools are given priority to remain open?
Any of this is hardly the children’s fault and it’s not right that their future should be any more adversely affected by this than it has already.
To put it rather bluntly old people have already lived their lives I’m not sure of the morality of ruining the opportunity of future generations to preserve a few extra years of another generation.

It's not a question of what's right, it's a question of what's safe. The ministry of education is making claims that I believe they can't verify. And it's not just about teachers' safety, though that's my personal concern, it's about parents and families safety. One of the 3 cases I mentioned was of a teacher who caught the virus from her kid who goes to another school. I understand you have school-age children, and have quite possibly been driven nuts over the past year, but if I had kids that age I wouldn't be sending them to school now.

And I can't believe you read into anything I wrote that it's the children's fault, it certainly isn't. I'll skip over your Early Retirement Program proposal (see the book "Shibumi" for more details), other than to say that it's not only old people are at risk. But with life expectancy at around 80 years now, a kid losing a year of school is at most 1.25% of that, and schools have made an effort to provide remote classes. To put it into perspective, putting 1% or so of your life on hold while we deal with the virus isn't ruining ruining anyone's opportunity in life.

 

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

You only go to school for a fixed number of years.

 

[Somewhereinba]

It's not a question of what's right, it's a question of what's safe. The ministry of education is making claims that I believe they can't verify. And it's not just about teachers' safety, though that's my personal concern, it's about parents and families safety. One of the 3 cases I mentioned was of a teacher who caught the virus from her kid who goes to another school. I understand you have school-age children, and have quite possibly been driven nuts over the past year, but if I had kids that age I wouldn't be sending them to school now.

And I can't believe you read into anything I wrote that it's the children's fault, it certainly isn't. I'll skip over your Early Retirement Program proposal (see the book "Shibumi" for more details), other than to say that it's not only old people are at risk. But with life expectancy at around 80 years now, a kid losing a year of school is at most 1.25% of that, and schools have made an effort to provide remote classes. To put it into perspective, putting 1% or so of your life on hold while we deal with the virus isn't ruining ruining anyone's opportunity in life.

Extremely ignorant on how important socialisation and learning is for children. They have already lost a year of their life to this shit - I know many parents who took your approach and locked their poor kids inside for the whole year - no friends, no socialisation, nothing.. Now their kids are suffering, don't know how to behave, have issues socialising with others, mentally scarred because their parents have told them how dangerous everything is and not to touch anything because of this virus. One of our friends who did the above and refused to go out or visit friends ended up getting covid at work last month - she wasted a whole year paranoid about it and ruining her life trying to be 'safe' and still got it lol.. She ended up losing her smell for a week and a fever for a few days - thats it. Now she and her family go out when they want and she has massive regrets about the actions she took the previous year - and her kids clearly suffered from it - no one knows what the longer term effects will be.

I repeat my opinion - if you or anyone else is paranoid about getting covid then lock yourself in a dark room for another year - thats your right. If teachers or parents are not happy about the risk then they should also stay at home in the dark - I can bet you all these teachers that don't want to go to school and teach have no issues meeting up with family members and going out to the shops etc

 

[FrankPintor]

Extremely ignorant on how important socialisation and learning is for children. They have already lost a year of their life to this shit - I know many parents who took your approach and locked their poor kids inside for the whole year - no friends, no socialisation, nothing.. Now their kids are suffering, don't know how to behave, have issues socialising with others, mentally scarred because their parents have told them how dangerous everything is and not to touch anything because of this virus. One of our friends who did the above and refused to go out or visit friends ended up getting covid at work last month - she wasted a whole year paranoid about it and ruining her life trying to be 'safe' and still got it lol.. She ended up losing her smell for a week and a fever for a few days - thats it. Now she and her family go out when they want and she has massive regrets about the actions she took the previous year - and her kids clearly suffered from it - no one knows what the longer term effects will be.

I repeat my opinion - if you or anyone else is paranoid about getting covid then lock yourself in a dark room for another year - thats your right. If teachers or parents are not happy about the risk then they should also stay at home in the dark - I can bet you all these teachers that don't want to go to school and teach have no issues meeting up with family members and going out to the shops etc

Try this article, the case for and against childrens welfare in quarantine is by no means clear: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200515/quarantine-having-lasting-impacts-on-kids-health

And your unsupported suppositions about paranoia and teachers not wanting to go to school only highlight your ignorance.

 

[antipodean]

Murió el auxiliar de una escuela porteña por coronavirus y un gremio presiona para que suspendan las clases

Un trabajador no docente falleció después de dar positivo diez días atrás. Desde Ute reclamaron revisar la presencialidad

www.infobae.com

"It is very difficult to establish where the infections occur, but so far it has proven to be very low: only 0.17% of the educational community,"

- I recall this or a similar figure being cited in a press conference last week by National Health Minister Vizotti.

The fact is that currently the vast majority of infections are happening outside of schools because of the way adults behave and amount of ground they cover in short amounts of time - every week most adults go to work, various social and family gatherings, shops, restaurants, bars, public transport, doctors, service stations, gyms, post offices, events and more. Each place they go is simply another place to risk being infected no matter how great the protocols ... which these days are pretty much non-existent anywhere other than a half-assed temperature check at the door by a guy who probably doesn't even have his mask covering his nose (Well perhaps adults could avoid the risk in these places by wearing a yellow hazmat suit and oxygen tank ... or simply staying home) Why should a parent's gym routine or assado or brunch be more important than their child's education or health of their child for that matter?

Further, none of the 8 adults I know who have contracted COVID in the past three weeks have kids or regular contact with kids.

For this reason both sides - the government and opposition - and their medical advisers are not currently focused on schools or children who are not seen as the root problem. They are trying to identify measures that will be respected by the people, not cause unpopular economic or social discontent and supposedly be effective in trying to slow the explosion of cases we are seeing before it saturates the health care system and we start seeing footage of people suffocating to death in front of overcrowded hospitals.

 

[Somewhereinba]

Try this article, the case for and against childrens welfare in quarantine is by no means clear: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200515/quarantine-having-lasting-impacts-on-kids-health

And your unsupported suppositions about paranoia and teachers not wanting to go to school only highlight your ignorance.

LOL the article is very clear that lockdowns have tremendous negative affects on those who are the poorest and least well off. So long as the rich kids can swim in their pool all day and wake up at 11am you are happy.. Meanwhile the families who experience domestic abuse, financial struggles and a lack of education get completely shat on the most. What a well informed opinion you have. There is no unsupported opinion - you said if you had a kid you wouldn't send him to school. You are in fact one of those paranoid people - no issues as I said - stay locked in your room for another 2 years - others like myself would prefer to live life and let our children actually attempt to have a normal upbringing that includes being social and forming connections, playing sports and learning in person.

Have you any idea what its like sticking a 4 year old kid in front of a laptop screen and having a 'zoom' class? All the case studies I need are right in front of me and within my social circles - and the scientists actually agree (although its obviously impossible to study long term effects until we are 5-10-20 years down the line and have all the data on suicide and mental health issues). I can already tell you poverty has increased but again thats ok - as long as the rich families are happy and safe in their mansions. We just need to flatten the curve guys and girls lol...

 

[FrankPintor]

Murió el auxiliar de una escuela porteña por coronavirus y un gremio presiona para que suspendan las clases

Un trabajador no docente falleció después de dar positivo diez días atrás. Desde Ute reclamaron revisar la presencialidad

www.infobae.com

"It is very difficult to establish where the infections occur, but so far it has proven to be very low: only 0.17% of the educational community,"

- I recall this or a similar figure being cited in a press conference last week by National Health Minister Vizotti.

Thanks for the quote, as I expected, they can't establish where the infections occur, but it must be a very small number, "quedáte tranquilo" in the best Argentinian style.

Further, none of the 8 adults I know who have contracted COVID in the past three weeks have kids or regular contact with kids.

All 4 of the adults I know who contracted COVID in the past month have kids, or are in regular contact with kids, and 3 of them contracted COVID from kids.

 

[FrankPintor]

LOL the article is very clear that lockdowns have tremendous negative affects on those who are the poorest and least well off. So long as the rich kids can swim in their pool all day and wake up at 11am you are happy.. Meanwhile the families who experience domestic abuse, financial struggles and a lack of education get completely shat on the most.

You don't seem to have read the article, the very first quote from a health professional is "There are clearly both positive and negative health impacts on kids and teens as a result of staying home this long”, and it continues in much the same tone for the rest of the article.

What a well informed opinion you have. There is no unsupported opinion - you said if you had a kid you wouldn't send him to school. You are in fact one of those paranoid people - no issues as I said - stay locked in your room for another 2 years - others like myself would prefer to live life and let our children actually attempt to have a normal upbringing that includes being social and forming connections, playing sports and learning in person.

Well, I guess we can add presumptuous to ignorant as your calling card. Where do you get that I want anyone to stay locked in a room for 2 more years? Discussing the facts is obviously too boring for you, you prefer to make stuff up and pretend I wrote it. And yes, your opinions about about paranoia and teachers not wanting to go to school are unsupported as well as just plain wrong.

 

[antipodean]

Ante la escalada de contagios, el Gobierno limitará el uso del transporte en el AMBA y busca que la Ciudad acepte restringir la circulación por la noche

Funcionarios nacionales, bonaerenses y porteños se reunieron en la Casa Rosada para acordar medidas para frenar la segunda ola. Larreta rechaza restringir la movilidad a partir de las 22

www.infobae.com

With another record day of new cases in Argentina, the national government are saying they will limit public transport in AMBA to essential workers again (in addition to students and teachers)

The president is also insisting on a nighttime curfew from 22:00-06:00, however is still trying to get CABA to agree to support this.

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Having been out at night quite a bit recently I have to say I actually agree with a night curfew for a few weeks. People are getting absolutely wreckless especially after the clock hits 23:00 or so and the Fernet starts to take effect. Many bar staff observed are not even bothering to wear masks now.
Was about to enter an Icecream store one night around 01:00, packed, and people coming in and out not wearing masks - just holding them in their hands even while in the line to order inside.
Meanwhile Police on the street outside stand around doing nada and not even wearing masks property themselves.
If people and businesses refuse to get the basics right then unfortunately someone needs to do it for them - in a proportionate manner.

 

[semigoodlookin]

My boy has been back in school just over a month. This week we have heard two teachers have COVID and both are struggling, one touch and go. Both are also under 40. It is a worthy debate to have about whether schools should be kept open. I want my 15-year-old to have school after I see the mental damage missing the last year of high school did to my 17-year-old daughter and many of her friends. Still, it has to be safe and since he started I hear almost daily that a kid has COVID so is not in school, etc.