Not at all ashamed of the repetition on my part - I think it's a tale that bears repeating, simply to illustrate a point. If a coffee shop cares so little about coffee...My point isn't that Starbucks is good or bad... It's normal for some people to like X and others not like X. I've just noticed that people seem to be proud of the fact that they hate Starbucks. They'll let you know first chance they get. Not to pick on you wineguy, but to demonstrate, I searched for threads containing "espresso" written by you, and you've told this story 6 or 7 times here:
It's just a thing I've noticed.. people love to hate Starbucks.
BTW I ordered an iced latte at Havanna once and they didn't know what it was. I don't hate them, I just go to Starbucks because they know what iced coffee is.