Why Are Dollar Bonds Being Abandoned By Investors ??

[ajoknoblauch]

Well, OK, but you're looking at it from the perspective of a capitalist. When you say "More than anything my thoughts on debt - and paying it back - relate to security for foreign investors at the business level", you're telling us straight up where you're coming from, and your concern is not for the people.

You say Argentina can't isolate itself. Oh, really? The Iranians have been forcibly isolated since 1979, and they are stronger than ever.

The problem with your arguments is that you're ranting, not constructing a logically-connected series of statements. I know, you said you post here to blow off steam, and that's fine. By all means blow to your heart's content. But you're not establishing anything, even if most of the regulars here do agree with you.

Iran is forcibly isolating itself, and that's why the mullahs are jailing kids for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y35NKNCsPzs

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Try and forget all the GDP to debt ratios and such for a minute. The one and only question is, can Argentina service its debt?

Probably not the correct question, which should be "Will Argentina service its debt?"

 

[Matiasba]

Try and forget all the GDP to debt ratios and such for a minute. The one and only question is, can Argentina service its debt?

I think we can, although there are hard times these ones, we are far from the default. In fact, the price of bonds are determined by the probability of default.

 

[scotttswan]

Iran is forcibly isolating itself, and that's why the mullahs are jailing kids for this:

disgusting behaviour! They should be put to death!

 

[ajoknoblauch]

disgusting behaviour! They should be put to death!

It probably wouldn't surprise anyone.

 

[Redpossum]

disgusting behaviour! They should be put to death!

Sigh. President Rouhani came out the very next day and said they should not be punished for being happy. This means they will not be punished, as he is both President and a renowned authority on Islamic law, as well as a lawyer, and diplomat. This is just more Fox news BS.

Women's rights? Here is his position-
There must be equal opportunities for women. There is no difference between man and woman in their creation, in their humanity, in their pursuit of knowledge, in their understanding, in their intelligence, in their religious piety, in serving God and in serving people.

But, hey, great job of dodging the facts.

 

[germano]

[...] Will The Sauerkraut Walkiria grant soft credit lines to AR ? in the near future

Sauerkraut? Seriously?

 

[Rich One]

Sauerkraut? Seriously?

I love sauerkraut :wub:

 

[ElQueso]

Well, OK, but you're looking at it from the perspective of a capitalist. When you say "More than anything my thoughts on debt - and paying it back - relate to security for foreign investors at the business level", you're telling us straight up where you're coming from, and your concern is not for the people.

You say Argentina can't isolate itself. Oh, really? The Iranians have been forcibly isolated since 1979, and they are stronger than ever.

The problem with your arguments is that you're ranting, not constructing a logically-connected series of statements. I know, you said you post here to blow off steam, and that's fine. By all means blow to your heart's content. But you're not establishing anything, even if most of the regulars here do agree with you.

Then, according to you:

1. I'm a capitalist.
   
2. My concern is NOT for the people.
   
3. My thoughts illogical and not connected.
   
4. I'm not establishing anything.

My response:

1. I'm not a capitalist. I do believe in some capitalist ideas, absolutely. I AM a Libertarian (among other things). Not a US Republican with "liberal" social beliefs. If you don't understand the difference, do some research. If you still think my ideas are wholly capitalistic, I'd be happy to debate them with you in a non-condescending manner.
   
2. You say that because I'm a capitalist, I don't care for the People. Mr Possum, I'm pretty sure I don't know you outside the forum and I would appreciate it if you would not put words into my mouth, or actions into my existence. I happen to feel (not know) that my beliefs have a better chance of benefiting more people, and in more ways than economically, than such beliefs as socialism or communism or fascism, but it appears that you wouldn't be receptive to anything I have to say on the subject because you can't seem to get past thinking I'm an evil capitalist, apparently without morals and/or humanity. Aside from whatever political affiliation I may have, I strongly believe that each person should strive to be a humanitarian on a personal level and help those that need help, however (and here comes the political part) with an end game in mind. I do not believe that programs should be setup to perpetuate the very problems that they are created to solve. Many people believe that everyone should be forced at gunpoint to contribute to those same programs and in this day and age, no other opinion is permissible, it seems. No matter that the more programs we put into place, the more poverty and horrible personal situations exist in the world. I have helped more people in my lifetime, personally and individually, than anyone I know and I take great pride in that. People who force others at gunpoint to help because they believe that is best for everyone should feel shame - most of those types I know don't help anyone on a personal level, but rather they take from others (with their votes, to be sure), and give to government programs so that whatever help is actually brought after all those salaries and studies and other expenses are paid for is diluted and impersonal. And not humanitarian.
   
3. I don't happen to think my thoughts are illogical and unconnected. However, I'm also not writing a treatise on how the world should work. I am merely espousing my opinions on something that I feel strongly about, and also on such things that impact me and my family directly. If you feel they are rantings (aside from my true rantings, which what you quoted was not), well, feel free to ignore such, or even ignore me altogether if that should make you feel better. This is a forum for exchanging ideas. Mostly, ideas about living and even surviving in Argentina, which I do know something about. This is not an economics forum where we are all trying to define the best world in which to live and lives hang in the balance based on what we come up with. I don't have the time, energy or inclination to write a treatise that reads like a doctoral thesis. Your statement that many "regulars" agree with me (I wouldn't have said that actually, but I'm actually pleased to hear it) kind of tells me, anyway, that maybe I'm on to something. Or is everyone here that agrees with me as equally illogical and unconnected in their thinking? Perhaps they are - does that make you elite?
   
4. I'm establishing my opinion. Wonderful thing about freedom of exp<b></b>ression. It is, indeed, an inalienable right, taken away only if the person who is tendering his or her opinion is cowed by those who would silence it, in whatever manner. And as mentioned in #3, feel free to completely tune me out - it won't affect me and my exercising of my thoughts and opinions. In the meantime, I would appreciate it if you would not be so rude and condescending in your personal comments directed at me. Yes, you are free to express yourself as you please, just as I am free to completely ignore you. Marginalizing my opinions because you have labeled me as something you obviously abhor leads to me ignoring what you have to say. I abhor crony or unrestrained capitalism myself, but I try not to speak in such a condescending and dismissive manner to someone else in quite the personal way you did to me. There's a difference between ranting against a belief and personally attacking someone who emits a belief that you don't agree with. We're all human, and perhaps I have done so, but I can assure you it's not my normal modus operandi. Nor, in reading the forum, does it seem to be yours, although I don't read the forum every day, every post. I could be wrong.

I have opinions, based on quite a bit of experience in the real world. Experience running businesses, experience being involved at high levels in big corporations. Experience helping poor people who have no one else to help them, including the government. How many capitalists do you know that help something like 30 poor people, on a daily basis, just survive in their own private hell-hole, at his own expense? And I'm far from rich - I barely make it every freaking month and things are getting worse on a daily basis. I can guarantee you one thing - if more people acted on a personal level to make things better instead of waiting for the government to come up with the solution, we'd have a lot better chance of making this world a better place.

I will argue against socialism or communism or fascism as the best manner to run a country, but I will always try to be personally polite about it unless attacked or patted on the head like a little boy and told to run along and let the big boys play.

And about Iran - really?

 

[ElQueso]

Sigh. President Rouhani came out the very next day and said they should not be punished for being happy. This means they will not be punished, as he is both President and a renowned authority on Islamic law, as well as a lawyer, and diplomat. This is just more Fox news BS.

Women's rights? Here is his position-
There must be equal opportunities for women. There is no difference between man and woman in their creation, in their humanity, in their pursuit of knowledge, in their understanding, in their intelligence, in their religious piety, in serving God and in serving people.

But, hey, great job of dodging the facts.

President Rouhani can say whatever he likes, and politicians all over the world do exactly that, no matter what they believe. Perhaps Rouhani is a great guy and really believes what he says. Maybe he'll even make a difference, and if so, more power to him. And yet Iran is still under Sharia law and the track record in recent times, specifically related to women's rights, is not all that good. It would be wonderful to see Iran treat women as equally as men.

In fact, it would be wonderful to see people around the world do the same. Problem is, one leader can't make the change - it has to come from society itself, or it's just a dictatorship imposing its will on the people. And people always find a way around restrictions they don't believe in.

Iran is indeed changing - I don't think even the Mullahs can keep that from happening. But there will be a lot of pain involved, I'd be willing to bet.

But statements such as "There is no difference between man and woman in their creation" - well, it sounds good but is not exactly accurate. And I think this is one of the greatest problems facing women's equality. Evolution gave us two different jobs in the game and whether we like it or not, that imposes some pretty big differences. Until we figure out how to allow women to have babies and still continue in their careers, even after birth and during the rearing process (at least the first year or so) and don't lose the benefits of a family structure where both parents take an active role in raising their kids, it will continue to be problematic.

Personally, I like the idea of creches formed by partners of more than one husband and wife (yes, dear God, polygamy!) in group marriages. I don't like the idea of both parents working and shuffling their kids off to a daycare center. Imagine a marriage where there are multiple men and women, all contributing to the general welfare of the home, and if a career woman wants to have a baby, she'll still need to go be absent from work for awhile (returning can be solved fairly easily and has in some places, sometimes even happens correctly here in Argentina when the worker isn't poor and doesn't have anyone to fight greedy owners on their behalf). But when she's done breast feeding (if they decide to do that, or if there isn't another nursing wife) she can return to work and have others in the family care for the baby.

But imagine the Puritanical folk of the US (and really, just about any other country) actually doing that! And I'm not talking about polygyny as practiced in religions that allow that - not saying a marriage couldn't be polygynistic (word?) but group marriages of all shapes and sizes.