Am I the only one who believes Christina is being given a hard time.

She wants to use foreign currency reserves that have been accumulated over the last 7 years to pay off the debt. Sounds reasonable enough to me, but Redrado's concern was that this transfer of money could lead to an embargo of the funds by holdouts of defaulted bonds.

Also how does the Federal Reserve control the government in the US???
There are several reasons why what they are trying to do is wrong.

Institutionaly:
The central bank is an autonomous institution (that is, autonomous from the executive). Its main goal is to "protect the value of the currency". The president of the BC cant receive direct orders from the executive and cannot use the reserves for other purposes such as paying the foreign debt (the debt is to be paid with "genuine savings" that come with commercial superavit).

Granted, this being Argentina the rules are often broken, and the reserves were already once used to pay the IMF, which was as wrong then as it is now, but at least back then the proper legal and institutional channels were used. Which brings me to the next point.

Legally:
Basically Cristina just went ahead and decided to avoid all the required process that are required to liberate the reserves. Why? Simple, the lost the election back in June and with it the majority in the deputies chamber. So instead of playing by the rules she tried to pull off two DNUs (decretos de necesidad y urgencia), one to liberate the reservers and another one remove the president of the BC. Fortunatly a judge has frozen this two DNU which are not on stand by.

Politically:
The debt should be paid no doubt about that, but this is clearly not the way. In any case even if they finnally pull it off we cant be certain they will actually pay the debt. They will take a big chunk of money from the BC, that since is not contemplated in the budget for this year, is just money which they can used in whatever way the want. They may pay some of the debt or nothing at all. I doubt this will open the worlds credit market for us and the Ks would have much better use of the money if they keep it to buy loyalties in the country.
 
Hey Peri,
Truth is she is getting a hard time but most of it is her fault.Majority of the things that are put to local denunciation are leaks from the government offices. After all She is the president,elected by the people,her faults are their faults.
I was just at an asado with several ex-politicians and current ...the good kind....and had some interesting conversations ,I played devils advocate and enjoyed stirring the pot as an ignorant foreigner .

What came out of the chat was a media problem, which I agree with completely.

Many ex pats only read English versions of the newspapers and watch CNN or BBC.

I would love to know how many watch Argentine channels for the news or read several Papers to draw a conclusion.

I introduced the phrase Mission Impossible News to our group and got a hearty laugh and agreement.Serioulsy pick a channel and dont listen to the words,just look at a normal picture and listen to the background music.

9 out of ten times its worse than the exorcist...Mike Oldfield wouldnt get alook in.

Sensaitonalist reporting causes mass hysteria and Crisitina gets trhe brunt of it,
The way I see it its because of her personal presence,she has a horrible public demeanor and spekas like Evita did when she had public backing...Nestor had it good as everything went well in his time,its east to recover from zero to 15,try pushing that to 40 and you are in trouble.
BY no means am I saying Cristina is a saint but she is getting more crap that she deserves.
 
I heard that her hubby is gay and she banged it out with Chavez.
 
arty said:
she banged it out with Chavez.

Well that would explain why Chavez sent a suitcase full of USD CASH to fund her campaign but the poor mule got caught and then was hidden in an apartment for months.
 
iStar said:
Well that would explain why Chavez sent a suitcase full of USD CASH to fund her campaign but the poor mule got caught and then was hidden in an apartment for months.

wasn't that like 700+k in cash?
 
arty said:
wasn't that like 700+k in cash?

Close... $800K

A suitcase filled with $800,000 in cash has embroiled Venezuela's President Hugo Chávez in a scandal which has fuelled claims of corruption and cover-up at the heart of his self-styled socialist revolution.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2008/sep/21/usa.venezuela
 
Am I the only person here who believes that Christina Fernadez Kirchner is being given a hard time?[/quote]

Evidently you are the only one.
National leaders get points not for what they do, but how they do it. And,
Christina has racked up a pretty dismal record on the HOW side of the equation.
Many are questioning the final destination of those funds regardless of her stated intentions. Her statements are in constant conflict with her actions.
 
gouchobob said:
Yes, hopefully when she and her husband leave office the full extent of their criminal activities will be fully revealed and they will be brought to justice.

syngirl said:
lol -- I doubt it, they will be sure to retire to a country that has no extradition treatise with Argentina!!

This thread is about the president is given a hard time for no reason, and what do you guys do? Trash her without a reason.

MikeB12 said:
Also how does the Federal Reserve control the government in the US???

They control it by controlling the money supply.

"Give me control of a nation's money supply and I care not who makes the laws." - Mayer Rothschild

fedecc said:
There are several reasons why what they are trying to do is wrong.

Institutionaly:
The central bank is an autonomous institution (that is, autonomous from the executive). Its main goal is to "protect the value of the currency". The president of the BC cant receive direct orders from the executive and cannot use the reserves for other purposes such as paying the foreign debt (the debt is to be paid with "genuine savings" that come with commercial superavit).

Granted, this being Argentina the rules are often broken, and the reserves were already once used to pay the IMF, which was as wrong then as it is now, but at least back then the proper legal and institutional channels were used. Which brings me to the next point.

Legally:
Basically Cristina just went ahead and decided to avoid all the required process that are required to liberate the reserves. Why? Simple, the lost the election back in June and with it the majority in the deputies chamber. So instead of playing by the rules she tried to pull off two DNUs (decretos de necesidad y urgencia), one to liberate the reservers and another one remove the president of the BC. Fortunatly a judge has frozen this two DNU which are not on stand by.

Finally some valid critique.

iStar said:
Well that would explain why Chavez sent a suitcase full of USD CASH to fund her campaign but the poor mule got caught and then was hidden in an apartment for months.

That has never been proven and given the track record of U.S lies against Venezuela, why do you think this is any different? If they really wanted to send money to fund the campaign, why wouldn't they use a diplomat in that case to avoid getting caught? Or why not just wire the money? And why would they have a trial about it in Miami when the flight took off from Venezuela and landed in BA? All the "evidence" they have are some testimonies from a few guys who have cut deals with the prosecution. All that proves is how corrupt the U.S justice system is.
Read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristina_Fernández_de_Kirchner#2007

Also, who owns the private jet that the money came from? Apparently to this journalist it is owned by the CIA:
http://www.madcowprod.com/09302008.html

And the mule caught with the money is a rich Venezuelan with ties to the Venezuelan opposition and is wanted by both Argentina and Venezuela but the U.S refuses to extradite him:
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3110
 
steveinbsas said:
Though I have often wondered about those who were here with UK passports at that time (remember the Malvinas).

The British journalist, Simon Winchester, was interned in the Presidio in Ushuaia for the duration of the Malvinas war. Others were interned with him but I'd have to re-read his book, "Prison Diary, Argentina: A Falklands Story" to tell you more. I guess they were not the only ones to be held.
 
HenryNisental said:
Thwere never was any report of any UK citizen accosted here during the 1982 war between Arg and the UK, as far as I know.
I refer the honorable member to the answer I gave some moments ago. (Sorry: bad British joke)
 
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