Argentina Buying 30-Year-Old Israeli Fighter Jets

Yes, that is a good point. Dogfights don't happen in a vacuum. There are multi-layers of assets that the pilot uses to his/her advantage. When I was a fighter pilot we had high confidence of getting home alive from fights. I can't say the same for my Argentine counter-parts. And, the Kfir won't help that outlook.
 
Argentina has no inmmediate threat from its neighbours any time soon. So spending the non-available mullah on purchasing somebody else's problematic used jet fighter is outragious. Unlike the tiny Japan the size of 1/2 the size of Chile but being bullied every day from the red china. Thus needing to enforce its military capability. We can never ever rely on being under the Nuke ambrella of uncle Sam.
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Facing the expanding Chinese air power over the East China Sea, the Japanese defense ministry plans to purchase a total number of 42 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters from the United States to defend the disputed Diaoyutai islands (called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China), according to the Tokyo-based business daily Nikkei.

The Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) decided to purchase the fifth generation stealth fighters to replace its older F-4 Phantom II fighters. In addition to 60 F-4 fighters, the JASDF also operates 200 F-15J and 90 F-2 fighters, the paper said.

The new F-35 fighters are likely to coordinate with F-2s in potential missions to attack the naval and ground forces of the People's Liberation Army, while the F-15J would take care of Chinese fighters in the sky.

The Japanese defense ministry is also considering upgrading the F-15J fighters under its Mid-term Defense Program. Around 100 of the aircraft's radar systems are not able to be modified, and Tokyo plans to purchase additional F-35s to replace them. This will eventually allow Japan to have at least 142 F-35 stealth fighters. However, the defense ministry will first have to discuss its plans with the finance ministry as the price of a single F-35 can be as high as US$150 million.

Under the new Mid-term Defense Program, the Japanese defense ministry also discussed the possibility of designing or purchasing fighters which can be used to succeed F-2 multirole fighters. The Nikkei reported that Japan is likely to design this new fighter with other nation in a similar way to the United States and its F-35. Meanwhile, the Tokyo-based Kyodo News said that Japan will begin the purchase of its first six F-35 fighters from the United States as early as this March.

For the next five years, Japan will continue its purchase of F-35s and eventually increase the number to 42. In addition to introducing advanced fighters from the United States, the Japanese defense ministry also confirmed that it will spend US$190,000 to modify its three Osumi-class tank landing ships. After the modification, assault amphibious vehicles such as the AAV7 and new aircraft like MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft can both be launched from those ships for amphibious warfare over the disputed islands in the East China Sea.

"We can never overlook China's repeated entries into our territorial waters. In addition to diplomatic efforts, we will cooperate with the Coast Guard to securely defend our territory and waters around the Senkaku islands," said Itsunori Onodera, the Japanese defense minister, during his inspection of the new year exercise held by the airbourne troops of the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force at Narashino in Chiba prefecture on Jan. 12.
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Sorry if it sounds offensive, which is not the intention, but I think that if Japan and China have any conflict of any kind, it is hollow for everyone in Japan to expect something. China is the super power of the XXIst century, it has 10? times the people of Japan, so if it happens that you japanese have more weapons that China, which is hard to happen, just picture 140 billion chinese working, manufacturing weapons. During the WW2 the US made one bomber per day, that using their full working force, working night and day... So its a matter of how industrialised the country is, but also, the capacity of the working force. They can make as many bombers per day as they want, its just a matter of political will. And besides the population, they have another element: they have the technology, they have the industry. complex industry, It doesnt make any point to go to war with China, chances of winning are very little, even for the US (by far the most important country in the military field).
 
Matias,

Japan does not have to outproduce China on weapons. It does not need to have more weapons than China or a stronger/larger army. All it needs to do is to make any attempt from China to conquer Japan too costly in terms of materials and lives to be worth while. That is how Switzerland managed to avoid getting dragged into any of the last few European wars even though it was weaker than any of the major powers at the time. That is how Brazil managed to deter a much wealthier and stronger Argentina until the economic/industrial power balance in the region shifted in the late 70s and early 80s.
 
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Facing the expanding Chinese air power over the East China Sea, the Japanese defense ministry plans to purchase a total number of 42 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters from the United States to defend the disputed Diaoyutai islands (called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China), according to the Tokyo-based business daily Nikkei.

As someone who is MARRIED to a Japanese citizen, I think you guys should worry less about China and more about your lunatic prime minister who is printing so much money that he is making Cristina look like a responsible lady. With a debt to GDP ratio of almost 300%, Japan right now is an economic mega time bomb waiting to go off. Let's not even mention the Fukushima nuclear disaster and how poorly it is being handled right now. Japan has much more pressing issues to worry about than a silly dispute with China over some rocks in the middle of the sea.
 
Yeah look at all that peso printing here which leads to inflation, while over there printing Yen leads to... deflation. Go figure.
 
There are 4 kinds of economies; Developed, Undeveloped, Japan, and Argentina.

Whoa horsey! Whoa! Back to the subject!
 
Argentina has no inmmediate threat from its neighbours any time soon. So spending the non-available mullah on purchasing somebody else's problematic used jet fighter is outragious. Unlike the tiny Japan the size of 1/2 the size of Chile but being bullied every day from the red china. Thus needing to enforce its military capability. We can never ever rely on being under the Nuke ambrella of uncle Sam.

Argentina has no available Muslim clerics to offer in exchange for Israeli jets?
 
Both Brazil and Chile are the only countries in Latin America equipped with AEW platforms. That factor alone makes any discussion about plane X vs. plane Y backed up by an AEW platform mute. If you you are going against an opponent that has an AEW platform and you don't, you are already dead. It is like an almost blind guy trying to get into a knife fight with another guy who has 20/20 vision and faster reflexes. I don't care how big and sharp the blind guy's knife is, in the end he will lose.

Chile's Phalcon AEW
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Brazil's EMBRAER R-99 AEW
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A question for the Experts ? years ago it was questioned if Chile needs jet fighters? If the Argie planes are doing manouvers along the border and decided to launch a surprise atack, they would be over Santiago within a few minutes , not enough for Chilean jets to take off ?

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Back in the day that would have been a serious challenge for the Chileans air force. What they did to address that was to build a very decent ground radar system that would allow them to monitor the Argentinian jets from a distance and keeping some of their planes always on alert. Any argie plane moving near the border would have been met in the air by a Chilean F-5 or Hawk Hunter that was on stand-by and ready to fly at a very short notice. Today, with their Phalcon AEW plane, the Chileans can monitor Argie (or Peruvian) planes as early as they begin to taxi on the runway.
Those clumsy looking AEW planes are worth their weight in gold. They are massive force multipliers and if you don't have one backing you up, you REALLY don't want to go against an opposing force that does have them.
 
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