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McDonoughofBoston said:
Big question is...is it possible to live on $4000.00 a month U.S. or are we living in dream land.

My husband can work globally and only needs a reliable internet connection.


The big question is what are you planning to do about Argentine migraciones? You won't be granted resident visas based on your husband's income if he is self employed. Since you said he can work globally, I didn't get the impression he is working for a company that is already doing business in Argentina. If he is he may be able to get a work visa, otherwise you are playing a game of musical chairs with migraciones. At some point in the future that game may become more like Russian Roulette.

Even though your federal income tax in the USA would be low (for a family of four) his income would still be subject to FICA (over 14% from zero if he is self employed). You may be subject to Mass state taxes as part time residents (certainly in the year of your departure). If your husband is living and working in Argentina he "should" pay taxes in Argentina. He may not qualify (in the USA) for the foreign income tax exemption if he is being paid in the USA for the work he does.

Are you planing on buying private health care in Argentina? That will cut deeply into your budget.

Here are some links to other threads started by others considering a move.

Hello, We Haven't Left Yet!

moving to BA in a year...
 
I think one of the main draws of BA for a young family is how child-friendly it is here. There are so many things for families to do and children seem to be welcome absolutely everywhere. The fine weather also makes activities like walks and going to parks a great option for at least 9 months of the year. If you're willing to immerse your children in the Spanish language, then you could avoid the more expensive bi-lingual schools (and they sound like they're of an age where it wouldnt be such a big deal).
If you live on a local budget (as many of us do, though less expats), it definitely involves a life-style change. You probably wouldn't be able to buy the latest toy or several pairs of shoes...Thing's have to last a lot longer here and a lot of children have to think about exactly what they want for a birthday or Christmas. But that's how the majority of people live here, and that's not (in my opinion) a bad thing.
If you get a furnished temporary rental (which is probably going to be your only option), a lot of them include bills and are furnished with at least basic electronics so even though it is a big expense, it leaves you with less things to worry about.
In my opinion, your plans sound great and if you have the right attitude and aren't too bothered with forgoing most luxuries, you'll be fine...especially if it's just for a year or so. When I was seven, my dad was transferred abroad for a year (not here though) and I still remember it as one of the best and most valuable experiences of my life...
The only thing that I would really be cautious about is that the situation in Argentina changes very rapidly... We're having elections this year, we have no idea really what's going to happen to the economy, inflation is rife (and could get a lot worse). So even information that you are getting today could be completely invalid by the time you move. It's v difficult to PLAN a move to Argentina!
 
Montevideo came up last year when my sister came home from an assignment in Paraguay. But I do not think it offers any of the cultural flavors as Buenos Aires would. Do you? Reliable internet connetion or that vibe that B.A. does. If you have been to Montevideo I would love to hear about it. I have never been.

We really want to imerse the children into a different culture, learn a language. See things from a non-U.S. point of view. I want to see things from a non-U.S. point of view.

Buenos Aires and Santiago Chile are 2 of the most expensive cities in South America (this of course does not include Brazil). So its been wonderful learning from Expats that are currently living there!

We could stretch the budget a bit, maybe by a thousand, but really do not want to. We could stay in the U.S. We are hoping to make it work in Buenos Aires.
 
McDonoughofBoston said:
Montevideo came up last year when my sister came home from an assignment in Paraguay. But I do not think it offers any of the cultural flavors as Buenos Aires would. Do you? Reliable internet connetion or that vibe that B.A. does. If you have been to Montevideo I would love to hear about it. I have never been.

We really want to imerse the children into a different culture, learn a language. See things from a non-U.S. point of view. I want to see things from a non-U.S. point of view.

Buenos Aires and Santiago Chile are 2 of the most expensive cities in South America (this of course does not include Brazil). So its been wonderful learning from Expats that are currently living there!

We could stretch the budget a bit, maybe by a thousand, but really do not want to. We could stay in the U.S. We are hoping to make it work in Buenos Aires.


What you want to do is great but I sincerely suggest you only "plan" on coming for six months (with an exit strategy in place). Within a few months you will know if you want to stay longer as well as (hopefully) how to make it work. I'm not sure how much a 3 or 6 year old would benefit by being "immersed into a different culture" at those ages unless becoming fluent in castellano Argentino is a priority you have chosen for them. If that is the case they would probably need to live here for at least a couple years and time might not be on your side when dealing with migraciones.

I dated a woman from Montevideo and know a mixed couple (Canadian-Argentine) that lived there for a couple years. They made it clear there was no (desirable) comparison to BA. The cost of living is higher (especially utilities) and it is relatively boring there. You might even have a tougher time with migraciones in Uruguay than Argentina (at least at this point). Anthony Bourdain clearly found the food better there than in Argentina
 
I've heard that Montevideo is fairly safe and calm to live in but it is nothing compared to the buzz of Buenos Aires and you won't get nearly the same cultural benefits.

I think that it's quite difficult, especially for some expats, to comprehend living on a US$4 grand budget, mostly because a lot of people come over here to retire or live "the good life", but with a flexible attitude and a sense of adventure, I really can't see you having too many problems getting by. I do agree with Steveinbsas though and think that a 6-month (or maybe 1 year) trip is best to begin with. Perhaps if you can manage it, you or your partner could take a short trip here to see for yourselves if it's feasible, look at health insurance plans, schools and the kind of apartments you'd be able to afford and then make a really informed decision.
 
Have you been here for an extended visit?

Costs aside, I don't think I would have moved here when my kids were young. While there are many wonderful things about the Argentine culture, family values for one, in my opinion there are too many negatives.

Safety issues are significant here, i would not have let my kids wander alone here. Education is far below that in the US. The city is polluted. The typical diet is incredibly unhealthy. The kind of enrichment programs educated people seek out for their children in the US are scarce here. Work ethic is not the best.

Exposing my kids to many cultures was of utmost importance to me, and my 21 year old has studied here and loves the city. But raising kids here as opposed to in the US? I think the benefits are few and the negatives outweigh them.
 
Greetings from a fellow Bostonian (born and raised!) and now living for part of the year in BsAs. I think one of the key issues you and your husband need to think carefully about is which barrio (neighborhood) you want to live in. If you select Recoleta, parts of Barrio Norte or parts of Palermo, you will burn up a good chunk of that 4K in rent. If you go a little further north (but still in the city) to Belgrano, the rents are a little less and the neighborhood is still pretty safe. Same for Caballito. Ten or even 5 years ago, with an income of U$S 48k you could live quite nicely. Unfortunately inflation has, indeed, eaten away at that and as some of the other responses have stated, food now costs close to what we pay at Stop & Shop or Shaws. However, I still find plenty of restaurants where I can have a nice dinner for U$S 15.00 to U$S 20.00 per person and of course much less for the kids. The city is exciting; there is a lot to explore and experience. Regarding schooling: I would not send my 6-year old to a public school. Even middle class Argentines scrimp and save to send their children to a private school. There are some very good private schools or you might want to consider home schooling, which will save you quite a bit. Rent or buy??? If you are only going to be here for a year, I would rent, since the process for buying is complicated. I rented initially, but when I decided that I wanted to live in BsAs for part of the year (I am still working in the US), I bought. Prices for apartments in almost all of the barrios are still MUCH less than what you would pay in Back Bay, the South End, Beacon Hill, or the western or northern suburbs of Boston (Brookline, Newton, Weston, Sherborn or north in Marblehead or Swampscott.) Princes are more akin to what you might find in Medford or Malden or further out on the South Shore or even further out on Route 9, past Framingham. However, it is imperative that you work with an agent you can trust. The rules for buyng an apartment here are very different from what we are used to, and you need to work with a real estate agent who understands the system. There is (believe it or not) no real MLS here, so you have to watch the newspapers as well as visit multiple agencies. It can be time consuming. If you do decide to move here, you will need to readjust some of your thinking...Ordering cable or Internet or getting repairmen to come when they say they will can be frustrating. Appointment times are often missed and meanwhile you have waited all day for the installer to arrive. That varies, somewhat of course, but generally the work ethic isn't going to be the same as it is in the US or Canada. You just have to remember that you aren't in New England and you need to lower your expectations accordingly. Otherwise you'll have an ulcer by Christmas! I would also suggest you get a sitter or a mother's helper. They are not expensive. (Cleaning ladies are also pretty inexpensive.) When you see how long the lines can be at the banks, the post office, the super markets, etc. you will be thankful that you have someone to keep the kids busy while you deal with tellers and cashiers. Living in a foreign country requires a somewhat different mind set, but once you adjust to that, I think you will really enjoy living in BsAs. I know I do!
 
There's nothing I could add to all the great and considerate posting you already got. I just wanted to say I'm glad another Bostonian's coming down here. Boston was my home for four amazing years. Welcome in advance.
 
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