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Can you name 1 (one) country in the world with a reasonable level of freedom of the press where this does not happen?
Ok so if something happens in many parts of the world then it is ok?

Those ethics in the media more developed in other countries. There are several countries where they have established press councils (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark etc.) with a codex and ethics framework for the national press.
 
Are you willing to take a bet on whether the kirchnerist media are going to throw mud at the opposition candidates, the more the closer to the election?
I would criticize that as well. Though who takes Pagina 12 and the canal publico serious?
 
I don't want to put words in the mouthes of John.St, Dublin2BuenosAires, ejcot, and notebook, but I think the point we're trying to make is that it's the media's job to report the news, and there are hundreds of lenses you can frame it with, and it's up to each outlet to decide how they wish to present things, slanted or not, when, when not, to sit on national security issues like the NYTs does, etc.

Again, I can't speak for everyone, but I think we're defending the right of news agencies to cover what they want when they want, but at the same time not saying editorials or lying is news (I.e. FOX or Press TV Iran).

All the anti-K papers/outlets have done is said: "This happened to an officer doing her job. She was fired because she tried to apply the law across all spectrums of Argentine Society. 2 FpV personalities were involved with this, and one happens to be Kristina's poster child."

If that's being manipulative or lying or being low standard I'd like to hear people's opinions on what Pagina/12 is doing (or not in this case).

Finally, it's the main stream press reporting this, not the blowhard Lanata.
 
What would you do - create a law that says they have to publish anything they find immediately? How long do they have to do so? What if they aren't ready to publish because they haven't gotten all of the facts together yet and they don't feel like they should publish yet? What if they don't see the importance of a story until something else happens to put it in a more important light? Imagine all of the issues that could come about from a democracy trying to force the press into some kind of time-table and official means of reporting the news to make it "fair"...

I think it is you who are not quite understanding the role of the media in a democracy.

The government should have no control over the media, aside from adjudicating wrongful reporting (i.e., enforcing laws against things like slander and libel and disseminating deliberate misinformation), but that applies to everyone who makes statements in public, not just a group or person who is considered "media". In fact, the media are not an arm of the government, and shouldn't be considered a tool of democracy insofar as it is something written into a government's constitution that a specific group of people will be called "the media" and have a certain responsibility to do anything.

It is THE PEOPLE's responsibility to disseminate information and call the government on crap. THAT's what the media is, a group of people who have dedicated themselves to informing others. There are many kinds of media - there is entertainment, news, sports, education, etc. None of that should be controlled by the government as to what is the content (in my opinion) and certainly shouldn't be telling any of the media outlets when they should be displaying whatever theme they may be involved in. If enough people don't like it, that particular media outlet will have no followers and won't continue.

If you think that the existing media outlets aren't doing a good job, start one yourself and do it the way you think is right! If you can't get enough people to follow your particular output, then it is society itself that is rejecting your way and you cen't ask the government to force people to listen to you.

In a democracy, there should be freedom of the press to the point that there is enough competition between media outlets that they fall over each other to get the news out first. That doesn't happen here for obvious reasons which have been discussed ad infinitum.

However, just the fact that you mention in another post to search for "congress immunity" and expect people to get results that are not covered in mainstream media here, shows that actually the media is not just made up of a few big players here, but that the information is available. Not to mention the fact that very few people here are caught by surprise when they hear of the corruption, even to the extent that everyone knows Cristina has a bunch of money hidden, that she's taken from the people of this country.

It seems to me that many people here (Argentina, not the forum) actually look to the government to control every aspect of life, including one side that wants the media under control (of the government), and another that wants controls on the media to "make things fair" (not sure what the end result's difference would be...). To me, it's a sign of what's wrong with governments (and the people who allow them to continue) who want to make "everything fair for everyone". No one takes responsibility for making sure things are right and fair outside of the government (society), they are too worried about figuring out how to get the government to force other people to do what they want in the name of "fairness".

See my other post. And who are you to tell me that I do not understand the role of media in a democracy?
 
And who can blame Clarin for holding a few aces up its sleeve? I know I would.
It's election time, it's time to roll your sleeves up and join the the fight.
This current regime has some very unpleasant characters in its ranks and if it requires some nasty broadsides to shift them, then so be it.
 
What? I don't follow your logic.

I was referring to:

Can you name 1 (one) country in the world with a reasonable level of freedom of the press where this does not happen?

I have named some countries where the ethics in the media are more developed in my post (see above). But even if the majority of the world had no ethics in media or if was not even "one country" where this is less likely to happen - would it consequently mean that it was ok for the media here to do it? I think not. I would still criticize it.
 
Those ethics in the media more developed in other countries. There are several countries where they have established press councils (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark etc.) with a codex and ethics framework for the national press.
Now that you mention my country of origin, I can assure you that neither press codex nor ethics framework demand that the media publish within a certain time frame.
 
Didnt know about that list. But anyways, 5 nobel prizes its fine, is the first Univeersity in Latin America that appears in that list.

At least better than the neoliberal poster boy Chile that many here (on baexpats) seem to like so much ...
 
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