Chile Top Of The List In Latam For Less Educational In....!!

[Rich One]

Chile First, In Less Education Inequalities Ranking in LATAM . Arg Second


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[arlean]

Thanks Rich One. We can count on you to come up with the good stuff. This article is a keeper.

I love Argentina, but I know some Chile people well and I think they are overall down to earth and practical and industrious. I have to judge Chile by the few people that I know there AND, I also know some down-to-earth Argentinians. Hard to judge a nation based on my narrow view of the population. But I look for certain things.

I have posted here about one Chile family I know, the father supported the family by making fanny packs and selling them on the street--without a license or paying taxes. He still does it! I asked him once what he does when the police come and want to see his license and he said, "Well, sometimes I run!" Hahahaha. But both girls operate at a higher level than their dad. They managed to get university degrees and move up in the world but kept their daddy's entrepreneurial bent. I told about one who started making advertising posters and one man here on this forum tried to denigrate her efforts and called her some little girl making and selling posters as if that was all she would have the opportunity to do in Chile and suggesting that you are limited there. The fact is that she did struggle that way for a while, as just about ALL entrepreneurs do (many people prefer to bang on pots--but I say that if you don't like your employer, then go ahead and do the hard work of a start-up and make the sacrifices and be your own employer--if you are in a country that allows you that opportunity).

This gal has printing machines now that look like the ones used by blueprint companies and markets for clients all over Chile. She lives in an upper class neighborhood in Santiago and operates out of the lower level of her house. She just bought an apartment because, like Argentines, they bank in bricks and mortar. But she is the daughter of a lowly street vendor.

The other girl opened a hospedage in Valdivia. I talked to both about taxes and their taxes are very low. But Chile does not give free stuff to everyone like Argentina does, therefore they are in better health economically and taxes CAN be low. (Nothing is really free, someone pays, and if the government prints money to cover it, then even the poor pay the resulting tax of inflation!)

I plan to be there soon and I'll be talking to accountants and lawyers and real estate people to try to get the straight scoop on Chile. And no, not to move there, but to report on it. After that I hope to check in up in Paraguay. It's incredibly interesting and I LOVE the economics. I enjoy seeing what works and what does not. When it comes to economics it is important to be real. Dreams and imagination and how you THINK it should be do not work when it comes to money. You have to get real or you will suffer--individually or nationally!

Of course there is pressure in Chile to get them to change. You can hardly have a country that is not up to their ears in debt to the IMF if you have the goals that these banksters have to bring every country under their control--through debt. Thanks, Rich One. Copied and saved. .

 

[Matiasba]

This must be something new, from what I know, Argentina was or used to be the country where a working class man can go further, which makes sense since Chile is way more inequality, a society broken into two pieces. I wonder how this not-free education plays in this, cause this is really a problem in Chile, we have a lot of chileans studying here and also in Uruguay, houndreds of thousands, a lot, and there are massive protests almost every month, and the probably new president Bachellet says she would change that law (imposed by Neoliberal dictatorship of Pinochet), so the panorama of education in Chile is quite different than in Argentina, and the proof is that chileans come here to study and not otherwise. I think that something new in the last decade or so is the growing mobility of Chile, and these results might obbey to this. Still, until someone revoke that law in Chile, Argentina may have better educational system as a whole.

 

[Rich One]

This must be something new, from what I know, Argentina was or used to be the country where a working class man can go further, which makes sense since Chile is way more inequality, a society broken into two pieces. I wonder how this not-free education plays in this, cause this is really a problem in Chile, we have a lot of chileans studying here and also in Uruguay, houndreds of thousands, a lot, and there are massive protests almost every month, and the probably new president Bachellet says she would change that law (imposed by Neoliberal dictatorship of Pinochet), so the panorama of education in Chile is quite different than in Argentina, and the proof is that chileans come here to study and not otherwise. I think that something new in the last decade or so is the growing mobility of Chile, and these results might obbey to this. Still, until someone revoke that law in Chile, Argentina may have better educational system as a whole.

Without going into an endless debate..... Chilean Students come here because its FREE , otherwise they would graduate in Chile and obtain a valid (better) degree in Chile.... As simple as that ....!! Its a no brainer...!!
Obtaining a job in Chile with an Argentine degree can be much HARDER.... Its a Hidden Cost.....!!

Lets hope Bachelet once elected brings about all these needed changes in Education, that the Concertacion Governments Failed to implement in 20 years Abolishing the Pinochet's Neo liberal Policies .

All student protests in Chile , orchestrated by Camarada Camila (Student Leader), will STOP once Bachelet is in power . Students are Golpistas trying ti undermine the Piñera right wing Government . Similar to the Tomas en B.A. of the Nacional H.S . against the City..... in election periods

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[Matiasba]

Well, the free education it seems to be a very important variable when it comes to take the decission where to study/live. Its not like "they study here ONLY because its free" because if you say that you re underestimating the importance of free education. So its not like a little detail, its a HUGE difference, to pay or not to pay for education, its a world of difference remaining to the educational system.

About the protests, they are huge, massive movilizations, thousands of students, its not something marginal (with press) like the tomas in Nacional Buenos Aires. Agree that will stop with Bachellet, but thats because she supported them and said she will change that. Chile with Concertacion Governments its not that different than with right wing governments, simply because they have state policies, the change its not that radical as it is in Argentina, they keep their socio economic model, unlike Argentina.

Saludos

 

[Rich One]

The Concertacion Followed the Bad Pinochet Neo Liberal Policies for 20 years. The Heads of the Concertacion are ex MIR and other revolutionary armed guerriljas, exiled types that now constitute the Socialistas Renovados They are an elite with million dollar homes Dachas on the beach, send their children to the best private schools and to Harvard if accepted. , However they have the poor in their hearts.Sounds Familliar....?

 

[Matiasba]

The Concertacion Followed the Bad Pinochet Neo Liberal Policies for 20 years. The Heads of the Concertacion are ex MIR and other revolutionary armed guerriljas, exiled types that now constitute the Socialistas Renovados They are an elite with million dollar homes Dachas on the beach, send their children to the best private schools and to Harvard if accepted. , However they have the poor in their hearts.Sounds Familliar....?

You will always have an elite commanding political movements, and you will always find material differences comparing the leaders to the masses. It has always been that way, so it isnt rare. Further more, it would be insane to find equal wealths, this is the real world, the power positions always have been to the powerful people.
However, you ll find some leftist politicians that still believe in public education, have a very low profile, travel themselves in public transportation, etc...of course they are leaders of minor movements, like Lozano, Zamora, etc, and they are not poor people but (upper) middle class, as every who knows the social problems deeply or have some social sensitivity. Yes upper middle class or middle class is not the poor, but the poor people that climbed representing the poor people up to political charges were much more corrrupted than the ones who came from middle class. I dont know why, but it has always been like that. So what I m saying is that the lower stratus must have some representative from middle classes to command, people who know the social problem, the difficulties, etc, studying that, knowing that, makes you a middle class person, so if they want to succed they must understand the cause of their difficulties and problems, know who they are, and the mechanisms of how society works to make them poor, to put them in the lowest strata.
In other words, to know who they are makes them go up in the social scale, makes them have some awareness of why, how, when, they are where they are.

 

[Rich One]

You will always have an elite commanding political movements, and you will always find material differences comparing the leaders to the masses. It has always been that way, so it isnt rare. Further more, it would be insane to find equal wealths, this is the real world, the power positions always have been to the powerful people.
However, you ll find some leftist politicians that still believe in public education, have a very low profile, travel themselves in public transportation, etc...of course they are leaders of minor movements, like Lozano, Zamora, etc, and they are not poor people but (upper) middle class, as every who knows the social problems deeply or have some social sensitivity. Yes upper middle class or middle class is not the poor, but the poor people that climbed representing the poor people up to political charges were much more corrrupted than the ones who came from middle class. I dont know why, but it has always been like that. So what I m saying is that the lower stratus must have some representative from middle classes to command, people who know the social problem, the difficulties, etc, studying that, knowing that, makes you a middle class person, so if they want to succed they must understand the cause of their difficulties and problems, know who they are, and the mechanisms of how society works to make them poor, to put them in the lowest strata.
In other words, to know who they are makes them go up in the social scale, makes them have some awareness of why, how, when, they are where they are.

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