Chinese Trains Help To Resume The Link Between Cordoba/bsas

[RodalfoWalsh]

I love that the new chinese trains are replacing the "new" "nacional & popular" (which were neither new nor nacional) trains that were put into service less than 8 years ago. Those trains, which were honestly not that bad, are now rusting away with that 40 million money pit excavator.

Private vs Public rail? Who cares, just pick one. Why is anyone shocked that a system in which a private operator can't set fares and instead relies 100% on receiving subsidies based on how many people they estimate used the service, doesn't work?

New train to cordoba on the same old decaying infrastructure? Why? What happened to the high speed rail? As sergio said the old train was actually fine if your goal is to have a low cost popular transport option. If you want to have a train that the middle classes will use for vacation or business travel you'll need to make it a hell of a lot faster and that will cost billions of dollars and even then it is going to fail when faced off against airline tickets which the state is subsidizing to the tune of U$D 2,000,000 per day.


Dear Kris,

Stop waisting our money. There are millions of people who would really benefit from infrastructure improvements that could easily be done with the money that has been wasted on fluffing up Randazzo.

 

[sergio]

The reality is that Argentina doesn't need high speed rail. The country just needs to get back to what existed in the 1960s but the infrastructure has deteriorated badly since then. It would, though, be a great WPA type project to train people and employ them to rebuild the rail infrastructure. Nestor talked about rebuilding the railways. Talked. That was all.

 

[RodalfoWalsh]

Dont waste it either

 

[Hybrid Ambassador]

Nine days before he declared the 1964 Tokyo Olympics open, Emperor Hirohito presided over a ceremony that witnessed the first white-and-blue ‘bullet’ train streaking from the Japanese capital at 210km/h (130mph) past Mount Fuji and on to Osaka in record time. Sprinting along a brand new, dedicated high-speed passenger track, featuring the fewest possible curves and shooting through 67 miles (108km) of tunnel and over 3,000 bridges, this was no one-off exercise to publicise the international games. The Tokaido Shinkansen (-New Trunk Line’) would become not just the world’s fastest and most advanced, but also its most intensely used main line railway.
Today, the latest, snake-like, 16-car Shinkansen trains leave Tokyo for Osaka up to every three minutes, each offering comfortable seats for 1,323 passengers and cruising at 270km/h (168mph). From last year, trains on the Tohuku Shinkansen, one of the six high-speed lines opened over the past fifty years, scythe through sections of Japan’s mountainous landscape at 320km/h (199mph). Japan’s renowned bullet trains have made domestic flying all but redundant between major cities. Not only are they very fast, frequent, spotlessly clean and on time to the second, but their carbon footprint is 16% that of cars making the same journeys according to the Japan Railway and Transport review. And since Hirohito waved that first train away from Tokyo in 1964, there have been no fatalities on the network. In 50 years, two trains have been derailed, one during an earthquake in 2004, another in a blizzard last year, yet the Shinkansen’s safety record has remained unimpaired.
Bullet trains, from 50 years ago to now.

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140714-built-for-speed-the-bullet-train

 

[sergio]

Nice to dream. When Nestor was President there was a lot of talk about a bullet train to Cordoba. Studies were done. I wonder where the money for these studies went. As I recall the builder was French. I guess some functionaries got a few nice trips to Paris out of the deal. Meanwhile, the new Chinese trains run at less than half the speed of the 1930s. Just getting back to the 1960s quality service would involve a massive investment.

 

[scotttswan]

They don't even need to build bullet trains. Repairing the tracks and getting the trains to run at 100mph (or slightly more) would quickly move people off the bus services onto rail. Which is the entire reason it will never happen. The bus people have too much money and a few bribes here and there will instantly put a stop to it.

 

[sergio]

They don't even need to build bullet trains. Repairing the tracks and getting the trains to run at 100mph (or slightly more) would quickly move people off the bus services onto rail. Which is the entire reason it will never happen. The bus people have too much money and a few bribes here and there will instantly put a stop to it.

100 mph is far too ambitious. Timetables comparable to those of buses would attract people.

 

[scotttswan]

100 mph is far too ambitious. Timetables comparable to those of buses would attract people.

Not really, when you consider the uk railway which are old curvy Victorian lines, they build a tilting train to run on it.
it failed for multiple reasons but we now have Italian leaning trains that have moved on a generation from the old BR APT ones.

Yuo can check out speed limits in the uk here.

http://www.networkra...aspx/10563.aspx

Although built by the brits, i'm sure with all the open space Argentina has they didn't go the same way as the curvy British lines and long distance they are relatively straight.

fix the tracks and crossings and 100mph+ isn't impossible?

 

[Matt84]

@Hybrid Ambassador Thank you for another beautiful post.

Japan’s renowned bullet trains have made domestic flying all but redundant between major cities.

And this is the real victory on a problem perhaps not even anticipated at the time of conception.

Brazil's main obstacle to economic development are its roads (or lack of them). They have however built a home aerospace industry that is internationally competitive, and therefore very useful to bridge the land gaps in the "outback".
I'd think that without the need to impress its population with shinny mirrors, or to (attempt to) settle loans with industrial purchases, Brazil would not do this in a rush, but eventually the only two cities in South America that are big (and prosperous) enough and at a short enough distance to require a high-speed train connection would be Rio - Sao Paulo.

 

[camberiu]

Nine days before he declared the 1964 Tokyo Olympics open, Emperor Hirohito presided over a ceremony that witnessed the first white-and-blue ‘bullet’ train streaking from the Japanese capital at 210km/h (130mph) past Mount Fuji and on to Osaka in record time. Sprinting along a brand new, dedicated high-speed passenger track, featuring the fewest possible curves and shooting through 67 miles (108km) of tunnel and over 3,000 bridges, this was no one-off exercise to publicise the international games. The Tokaido Shinkansen (-New Trunk Line’) would become not just the world’s fastest and most advanced, but also its most intensely used main line railway.

I love riding the Shinkansen. Zero fatalities since coming into operation in 1964.

http://youtu.be/KBSJbMquSX0