Ciudadanía / Citizenship

[ajoknoblauch]

bobsnowpuppy: stop spreading misinformation. What you are saying has no basis in US law. You're either lying or were lied to.

There's always the possibility he simply misunderstood.

 

[Ceviche]

There's always the possibility he simply misunderstood.

What a innocent, poor soul.

 

[khairyexpat]

My wife has US citizenship but hasn't bothered with an Argentine passport for a couple decades now. The US does not prohibit simultaneous Argentine citizenship; rather, it does not acknowledge it. If my wife poisoned me, the US would refuse to allow Argentine consular intercession, but that does not prevent her from renewing her Argentine passport and traveling elsewhere on it - she merely could not enter the States on it.

It depends where she poisoned you.

#16.
An [Argentine/USA] dual citizen will be subject to Argentine law while in Argentina, under USA law while in USA, but while in any other country, can choose which citizenship to use.

The complete full picture here:>>> http://baexpats.org/...es/page__st__60

 

[ajoknoblauch]

It depends where she poisoned you.

#16.
An [Argentine/USA] dual citizen will be subject to Argentine law while in Argentina, under USA law while in USA, but while in any other country, can choose which citizenship to use.

The complete full picture here:>>> http://baexpats.org/...es/page__st__60

I agree, but I was thinking about the US without specifying it. So far, fortunately, she's refrained from poisoning me.

 

[ben]

And, although Argentina allows dual citizenship with the US, the US does not permit it with Argentina. when my argentine husband got his US passport they told him this when they destroyed his argie passport. Now back in argentina, he got a new passport here but has technically defied the US law and they could revoke his citizenship.

This is BS.
EDIT: I see that by the time I figured out how to post a link on the mobile site, I came late to the party.

 

[ElCordobés]

Actually, this is not 100% as straightforward as one would imagine. If you want to move to Brazil (the MERCOSUR country most expats usually want to move to, and the only one where it's not easy to do so) you need to have been an Argentine citizen for at least 5 years.

I checked with Colombia's immigration (via live chat). The requirements on the website didn't explicitly state anything regarding naturalized Mercosur citizens.

Desde que usted sea ciudadano argentino, puede solicitar la visa MERCOSUR.​

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No se requiere ningún tiempo mínimo para ciudadanos naturalizados.​

Yea! Hopefully that doesn't change in the next few years should I choose to do it.

It appears that Argentina however has a waiting period of 5 years for Mercosur member countries to request the visa if naturalized and not from another member-state. As you noted for Brazil the same. I didn't not find anything for Uruguay, Chile, Bolivia and Paraguay which addresses the question of naturalized citizens.

 

[ElCordobés]

Picked up my wife's edicto judicial today that states she is doing the trámite (process) of requesting Argentine citizenship. I was able to get it today despite a paro (strike). I should know better--always check the news if you're going to centro to do trámites! I confirmed that it had to be the main paper La Voz del Interior (I had asked whether I could do the Diaro Judicial if cheaper). .

It will be published two non consecutive Saturdays but within the 15 day period. Total $275 pesos. (I imagine that's a bit cheaper than BsAs as the circulation is far lower). That gave me the receipt which reflected the exact language of the edicto and advised that it was the document to return to the juzgado as proof.

I will return the receipt early next week to the court and see where we go from there. If this is really it...I would advise anyone who is a permanent resident to start the process if they can have dual or multiple citizenships. I continue to expect a problem, but things continue to progress. Could it really be this simple?

Went to juzgado today. My wife's first. Had intended to return the receipt of publication, but they do require that I bring in the copy of the paper on the two dates that it was published so I have to wait until the second publication next week. (Just the page of the publication).

I also asked whether there was anything else. "Estamos?" She said yes...nothing more to provide and she told me that citizenship will be granted in no uncertain terms (I'll believe it when we have the carta in hand, but it was nice to hear) She explained that we just missed the window of the judgments for this year so my wife's will be ready by the end of February or early March (After the summer holiday), At that time, we will be given the carta and with that she said we could go directly to the registro for her Argentine DNI immediately. Yea!

In hindsight...I believe that I mentioned previously... I would have started this process in October or the first days of November of last year--we would have missed one set of summer vacation months. And our oficios (requests of information, background checks, etc) didn't even go out until April after submitting in late December). Regardless still a pretty clean process to this point. I think if you meet all the requirements and are timely with your paperwork and your follow up...completing in 8-10 months is very possible (at least here and I know Bajo_cero's personal record was 7 months). Just don't start when we did as you'll lose 3 months right out of the gate (Late December and all of January x 2).

My case. My testigo made his statement today. It was much more detailed than the one for my wife. Many more questions about my family here and abroad. But no problems...my friend remembered surprisingly random things. In that sense, I'm glad I had someone that I know quite well testify on my behalf. I wasn't present during the interview and I did not get a copy of his statement (we did get copies of the statement in my wife's case).

When my friend was done the clerk provided me the edicto for publication with the same instructions that I had received for my wife. I have already submitted for publishing.

New item: I was asked to bring in my foreign born daughter's birth certificate (which I had with me) and a certificado de escolaridad which I have already requested from her school. He just told me to bring originals and copies together with the edict publication in a couple weeks. (The other juzgado did not request these items for my older daughter). Although it was in case file--It was brought to his attention during the interview with my friend that I have two kids. In any case, not a big deal since I have the translated/apostilled/legalized birth certificate, but had I not...it would have been a huge headache.

Finally, I asked if we were all set...he said we're still missing the final oficio (response) on my fingerprints for reincidencia. This is the same thing I obtained directly from RNR (referenced earlier and I thought it was resolved). So hopefully this will come soon. If my prints are rejected again--I will go to BsAs if I have to. He wouldn't commit to a similar timeline as was indicated for my wife's case. Fingers crossed it will be similar.

It is notable that each juzgado works from the same core requirements, but each has their own unique process and timeline (not unique to this process of course...more the rule in Argentina). That said, both have been available in person or phone readily when I had questioned or checked in. Always very professional and never (seemingly) bothered by my requests/questions nor my level of Spanish.

Unless we have an update (good or bad)--Hopefully the next post will be that one or both of us are Argentine citizens.

 

[ElCordobés]

Quick update. Dropped off my wife's edictos. The two publications of her citizenship case in the paper. They took the originals...entire pages. I did not cut them out, just in case.

I did not ask for an additional update, but I was also informed that I should call in two weeks as they might have the sentencia (judgment). That's news to me. Last I heard the judgment would be made in February and the carta available sometime after that.

Also asked how liberally the registro in Cordoba reads the law in terms of getting the Argentine DNI for my daughter. They referred me to check with the registro. Not surprised, but had to ask. Bajo_cero has noted previously the Supreme Court has ruled that children of naturalized citizens have the same right, but the law reads as a right to native Argentines. Hopefully the registro here won't require a court order. Once a sentence has been made I will check with the registro.

 

[Noruega]

ElCordobés, happy to hear things are moving! I enjoy reading about your process (and your wife's) and look forward to good news early 2015! Suerte!!

 

[ElCordobés]

Called my juzgado today since I have been concerned with one outstanding oficio (document from Reincidencia). Fortunately, the clerk that I usually talk was out today, which allowed me to speak to the other one with whom I originally started the process. Both are friendly, but the former is much more the gatekeeper and likes to keep me on a need to know basis--not advising process...timeline.

So the big news. Supposedly, my case is headed to the judge for the sentencia. Everything has been received. I was told--barring a request for additional information from the judge (apparently somewhat rare)--My sentence should be made before the end of the year!

I'm calling for my wife's case on Friday to see whether the judgment has been made. I have been given no indication that it could be anything but a judgment in our favor, but now that it's close--I'm getting anxious.