Covid Vaccination Argentina

[lunar]

That’s my point. Argentina only recently got its AstraZenaca.

Only because nobody seems to want AstraZeneca (see spelling) now. Their ability to deliver was very questionable when the demand was high.

I would personally prefer Sputnik V and Sinopharm to AstraZeneca after reading all these thrombosis stories.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Good information and pretty much what we expect of things here.. clearly not using Pfizer when it has been offered at lower prices to Sinopharm means dodgy dealings. There is no other answer no matter what bullshit the government spreads about law technicalities. The technically is most likely that it's harder to make the money go into the right hands by doing business with Pfizer instead of the Chinese.

You complicate what is simple.
China and Russia makes international deals on Yuan and Rubles not usd. It means that they are paid with soy, meat and fish.

 

[steveinbsas]

China and Russia makes international deals on Yuan and Rubles not usd. It means that they are paid with soy, meat and fish.

Great point!!

 

[lunar]

You complicate what is simple.
China and Russia makes international deals on Yuan and Rubles not usd. It means that they are paid with soy, meat and fish.

Argentina and China do a currency swap from time to time. And then they pay to each other in their respective national currencies (not USD, not soy, not greyhound puppies). Price in USD is for reference only.

 

[steveinbsas]

Argentina and China do a currency swap from time to time. And then they pay to each other in their respective national currencies (not USD, not soy, not greyhound puppies). Price in USD is for reference only.

I can imagine that China quickly "spends" the Argentine pesos they receive...

...and that they use them to buy as much soy, meast, and fish as they can.

 

[antipodean]

Only because nobody seems to want AstraZeneca (see spelling) now. Their ability to deliver was very questionable when the demand was high.

I would personally prefer Sputnik V and Sinopharm to AstraZeneca after reading all these thrombosis stories.

Am not sure about this being very relevant to their delay or recent arrival. The contract was made by the government in November/ December 2020 with the joint Argentine / Mexican initiative to be producing the vaccines for Latin America only. Demand for these vaccines in other regions would appear to be irrelevant since the vaccines meant to be produced in this region never reached other regions either. Wasn't this one of the main arguments of the government at the time to go with them in the first place, back in August 2020? Supposedly lower risk of delay due to local and regional production?

Also not sure the rest supports the idea of "the best vaccine is the one you get"?
What exactly is the probability of death from thrombosis or COVID occurring after an AstraZeneca vaccine versus death from COVID occurring after either Sputnik or Sinopharm for example? Do we really have enough elapsed time to be sure of our assumptions?
While for sure I agree that it is perfectly natural to have reservations after such stories, and would hope the formula will be tweaked accordingly to avoid it happening now or in the future, one ultimately needs to keep the risk/benefits in check.

 

[Somewhereinba]

Alberto dropped the ball - he should have done a deal with Pfizer. Probably couldn't find a way to pay off the people he wanted too though. Wasn't happy with legal wording lol get fucked. He obviously believes the population is stupid to believe such a thing. Hundreds of other countries did deals with Pfizer who had the earliest and best peer reviewed results of all the vaccines.

 

[lunar]

The contract was made by the government in November/ December 2020 with the joint Argentine / Mexican initiative to be producing the vaccines for Latin America only.

Argentina has a contract to buy 22.4 million doses of the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine, which the company said would all be delivered in 2021.

Look at the timeframe. They could have delivered the vaccine in December of 2021 and it still wouldn't be a breach of contract.

Demand for these vaccines in other regions would appear to be irrelevant since the vaccines meant to be produced in this region never reached other regions either.

There are many examples when countries kept locally produced vaccines instead of sending them out.

What exactly is the probability of death from thrombosis or COVID occurring after an AstraZeneca vaccine versus death from COVID occurring after either Sputnik or Sinopharm for example? Do we really have enough elapsed time to be sure of our assumptions?

It is very low, about 10 per million.

From the vault: AstraZeneca and blood clots: by the numbers

Reports that the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine causes blood clots has been dominating the news.

cosmosmagazine.com

At the same time, I do not know of a single country that halted vaccination with Sputnik V or Sinopharm after starting it, as it happened in case of Astrazeneca. The fact that after millions of people got vaccinated the newspapers report individual deaths as extraordinary events is rather a positive sign.

While for sure I agree that it is perfectly natural to have reservations after such stories, and would hope the formula will be tweaked accordingly to avoid it happening now or in the future, one ultimately needs to keep the risk/benefits in check.

The Germans claim that there is an unnamed "very common medication" that can be used for treatment but only after the blood clots appear.

AstraZeneca: German team discovers thrombosis trigger – DW – 03/19/2021

Scientists at Greifswald teaching hospital claim they have discovered the cause of blood clots among a small number of AstraZeneca vaccine recipients. Doctors say a targeted treatment can now be used.

www.dw.com

 

[lunar]

Alberto dropped the ball - he should have done a deal with Pfizer.

You've made it perfectly clear. May be you should run for a president yourself.
Without any doubts, you will make much better decisions.

 

[antipodean]

Look at the timeframe. They could have delivered the vaccine in December of 2021 and it still wouldn't be a breach of contract.

I'm not sure that is exactly the case. The actions the Argentine government is taking against the lab are apparently due to a breach linked to a MAY21 date and missed milestone of doses delivered. This matter is currently under judicial investigation to verify if there was or was not a breach of the contract.

"The contract signed in 2020 was very precise about the millions of doses that had to reach the country in stages and progressively, and until the 22.4 million total doses were completed: during March 2021, 2,382,000 million vaccines were to arrive, in April 4,040,000 million; in May another 4,040,000 million, in June 3,451,000 million and in July 8,518,000 million. It is worth repeating that so far none of the promised doses have arrived in the country." (Extract of infobae article dated 25APR21)

Regardless of all this, it just highlights the importance of signing as many contracts as you can at the moment that providers are promising you access in order to mitigate delay or functional risk affecting any other provider at any time. Murphy is bound to strike, even more so during a global crisis.