Crisynomics At Work: Argentina Is Low Debt Superstar

Yeah, sure ...it is terrific that the country cannot get external funding at a time when it's internal market is collapsing under the strain of runaway inflation. Obvio!

It is an irrefutable bonus that Argentina cannot get funding to develop it's energy potential. Claro que si!

I mean, cant you see that it is better to scrabble around trying to get criminals to hand in their dollars than seek funding from the international market. Por supuesto!

Hopefully Birdy wont ask for his 6 bn back to buy more toilet roll.
 
The neo liberal model that today leads economics says that taking debt must be the rule. Thats how we have the majority of countries with big debts.

Which neo-liberal economist says that Matias? Please do point out to me which "neo liberal" economist is saying that debt is good. Once again, you demonstrate that you have NO IDEA of what the term you like to throw around so much even begin to mean.

Here is a "neo-liberal" economist and this is what he has to say about debt:

 
This government believes that taking debt is no good. I think the same.

This government is about to lose big in the New York courts over their "debt policy".

Deciding to not pay back 80% of the money you owe is not a good policy, it's called "becoming the world's biggest deadbeat". And as I said before, it's a superb way of reducing your debts, just that it's not really open to most countries who want to be a full participant on the global stage.

FWIW, I agree that a lot of the debt-reliant economic policies that many "rich" countries have undertaken in the last twenty years has been suicide. It's one thing to build your prosperity on sustainable loans, another to cripple both government and citizenry with unpayable bills. The result of that is, well, what Argentina did - fingers in ears, "can't pay, won't pay, la la la".
 
Which neo-liberal economist says that Matias? Please do point out to me which "neo liberal" economist is saying that debt is good. Once again, you demonstrate that you have NO IDEA of what the term you like to throw around so much even begin to mean.

Here is a "neo-liberal" economist and this is what he has to say about debt:


So, it was an accident that in the only 2 neo liberals experiences this country had the debt grow that much. In the dictatorship, 7 years, it multiplied for 6, statizating the private debt the big enterprizes had, in dollars, and in the 90s, we implanted an economic model based in external debt growth, thats how we sustained the 1peso=1 dollar.

I know, youre going to tell me that those experiences werent in fact neoliberals, so how do you call it?
Because with the dictatorship we clearly attend to a change of paradigma, this society we had before, keynesianist, welfare state, productive, industrialist, full employment level, you name it, it just disappeared with the dictatorship. Since the oil crisis in 1970, and because the liquidity that crisis provocated to the central powers, they had this new necessity to lend money, to make it work. The climb of the oil prices in 1970 provocated the western banks with lot of money provenient from the oil producers countries, so what did they do with that money? lend it to third world countries, make them take debt, make the conditions to let them take debt. And considering they had militaries friends in power in Latin Amerian countries, that was a piece of cake. Afterwards, we have all along the 80s the debt crisis, Mexico in 1982, etc, the social crisis we have in 1989 was provocated from creditors, so they have even more power over this countries after the dictatorships ended.

So, how do you call it?
These policies were the same that the ones implemented in Chile, that you do consider neoliberals. And by the same people (Chicago boys) with a lot o similarities that are totally oposed to the state model society we used to have.
So, how do you name this change, these policies implemented in these two particular times of Argentine society?
Dont you think that if they werent purely neoliberals, (where do you find a pure model anyways? in Chile? the results are not so different from your hated Argentina!) they were in fact at least in that direction? that the main measures they took in these almost 20 years, and those structural changes were adviced by neo liberals? that the guidelines of making a small state and letting the market regulates are neoliberal? Reforma financiera 1977, apertura comercial, estatizacion de la deuda, reforma del estado (1992), privatizations, convertibilidad (if this wasnt neoliberal it served at least to the purpose of neoliberals to have stabilization and combat inflation, both central criticisms of the welfare state society) deindustrialization, letting the financial capitals flow, do whatever they want, etc, that in my world is clearly neoliberalism. Perhaps isnt the perfect neoliberalism model, but its pretty close. Dont forget that the theorists (from Argentina but also the IMF, World Bank, Washington Consensus, etc, clearly neoliberals) were the people behind these governments, the ones that had total power to do whatever they wanted.
 
The neo liberal model that today leads economics says that taking debt must be the rule. Thats how we have the majority of countries with big debts. The trick is that once you have the debt they (the international bank) can totally manipulate you with interests, so there you have easy money. Its basically a rentistic financial model, based on especulation, and clearly managed for very few people. Basically, they say that taking debt is good. That was the speech we heard in the 90s, an economic model based in taking lot of debt "so that makes the country grows". So, as I said before, we have that the 2008 interests of debt we took in the 90s was the equivalent of the total budget for education for 1 year.
This government believes that taking debt is no good. I think the same. The enormous mass of money destinated for social plans that are attacking poverty is the money we used to pay interests. Fact. Period.

So like Cristina, Matías has become a neoliberal - in one small sense at least.
 
So, it was an accident that in the only 2 neo liberals experiences this country had the debt grow that much. In the dictatorship, 7 years, it multiplied for 6, statizating the private debt the big enterprizes had, in dollars, and in the 90s, we implanted an economic model based in external debt growth, thats how we sustained the 1peso=1 dollar.

I know, youre going to tell me that those experiences werent in fact neoliberals, so how do you call it?

Again, you dance around but don't answer my question. I asked you to point me to ONE, JUST ONE neo-liberal economist that says that government debt is good. Instead you go around on this crazy but typical UBA student diablerie about the evils of capitalism.
You can call the past experiments done here in Argentina many things, such as mercantilism, corporatism, social-democracy, "central planning" light or whatever the hell else you want, but liberalism it was not.

I suggest you take your time and actually READ some "liberal" economists, like Hayek, Mises, Carl Menger, Rothbard, Kyle Bass and so forth so that you understand what they defend before going around and making a fool out of yourself.
Unlike what they teach you at UBA, not everything that goes against Peronism, populism and socialism is necessarily "neo-liberal".
 
Again, you dance around but don't answer my question. I asked you to point me to ONE, JUST ONE neo-liberal economist that says that government debt is good. Instead you go around on this crazy but typical UBA student diablerie about the evils of capitalism.
You can call the past experiments done here in Argentina many things, such as mercantilism, corporatism, social-democracy, "central planning" light or whatever the hell else you want, but liberalism it was not.

I suggest you take your time and actually READ some "liberal" economists, like Hayek, Mises, [font=Trebuchet MS']Carl Menger, R[/font]othbard, Kyle Bass and so forth so that you understand what they defend before going around and making a fool out of yourself.
Unlike what they teach you at UBA, not everything that goes against Peronism, populism and socialism is necessarily "neo-liberal".


domingo cavallo, the architect of convertibilidad plan that also signed the decrete of estatizating private debt in 1981.
 
domingo cavallo, the architect of convertibilidad plan that also signed the decrete of estatizating private debt in 1981.

So, your example of neo-liberal economist that says that government debt is good is Domingo Cavallo? That is it? That is the best you can come up with? So Domingo Cavallo is now the 'brains behind" neo-liberalism worldwide? So, you are basing all your understanding of the theories behind liberalism worldwide on the actions of a Mr. nobody when he was responsible for the economics of a highly dysfunctional, schizophrenic and insignificant little crappy country in South America that no ones gives 2 shits about? That is your reference of what neo-liberalism is? Sorry, but I can't help myself.

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