Current Human Rights Violations In Argentina

For those of you who are still unclear on the difference between inconvenience and human rights violation, here is a link for you:

http://www.un.org/en...dhr/index.shtml

Argentina doesn't violate any more or less of the articles than North America or Europe. Dont' believe me, take a peek at Articles 2, 5, and 16 for starters.

Note Article 17.


(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


Putting governmental controls on the free flow of money and trade is to my mind highly questionable. Money is a prime mover. Elections pretty much universally flow in sync with the perceived state of the economy. Control of property and money is rather fundamental in quality of life, in ones ability to enjoy the fruits of their labor, initiative and creativity. As stated before, if the government corners you into an obligatory use of one failing currency, the ability to have a reasonable store of value is compromised. Inflation is the "hidden tax", a type of theft. So while on the surface it is not as obvious and immediate as what we would first think of when we consider human rights, it is nonetheless insidious, and funds endless types of corruption and undermines the general social condition. For me, interfering with store of value is indeed a human rights violation.
 
Note Article 17.


(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


Putting governmental controls on the free flow of money and trade is to my mind highly questionable. Money is a prime mover. Elections pretty much universally flow in sync with the perceived state of the economy. Control of property and money is rather fundamental in quality of life, in ones ability to enjoy the fruits of their labor, initiative and creativity. As stated before, if the government corners you into an obligatory use of one failing currency, the ability to have a reasonable store of value is compromised. Inflation is the "hidden tax", a type of theft. So while on the surface it is not as obvious and immediate as what we would first think of when we consider human rights, it is nonetheless insidious, and funds endless types of corruption and undermines the general social condition. For me, interfering with store of value is indeed a human rights violation.

Argentina's currency controls are foolish and unsustainable, but fall short of human rights abuses.
 
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Actually, economic mismanagement does play a part in violations of human rights. It impacts the rights to education and health care (which, although they are available here generally, are getting worse...and in some parts of the north of Argentina, access to free health care, especially women{s health care is pretty terrible for many communities.
Also, it is generally recognised that poverty is currently one of the biggest obstacles to human rights. You only have to look at the growth of unsanitary shanty towns (again, much worse in the northern provinces) to see the impact of poverty (caused by economic mismanagement).
Obviously, not being able to purchase foreign currency, etc is on a completely different level.
For more general info on human rights abuses, you should check out Amnesty{s annual report.


You should check statictics, and not the ones from Indec, which they are reliable, but the ones from UN (please check the HDI and how unstoppably went up with Kirchner), World Bank or IMF. everyone agrees that poverty went down, and A LOT, during these years, not only in Argentina, but in the region, with centre-left government and policies. Argentina has doubled its middle class. Thats a lot of people that went up in the social scale. The Gini index got better, the unemployment went from 20% to 6%, the debt went from 150% of GDP to 42%, thats a lot of money destined to social plans such as Asignacion Universal por Hijo (which can be an indirect form for investment on education) or simply direct invest in education like it is the increase from 2.5% to 6.5% of GDP (which grew 5 times its size during the era Kirchner).
These numbers by The UN, World Bank and IMF, certainly not Kirchneristas, and these ones by UCA and private consultants, published in La Nacion (again, far from Kirchnerism)

http://www.lanacion....to-con-inflacio


Health here in Argentina is better than in the US for example, since is totally free access. In the US if you dont have money you cant be assisted by a doctor, in the entire country. Here, it doesnt matter if the public hospitals sucks, which I think they not, but this is arguable, you have the chance to have surgery, or a simple consultation with a doctor, totally free. Same that with education. If you dont know I tell you that the better university for medicine here is still public and free, the same as some of the better hospitals, for example Hospital de Clinicas, that has the better doctors of the country, since that institution is A LOT more prestigious than some of the best private clinics. You can try and go and talk to the main doctors in the private clinics here and the most of them should have worked in some public hospital or still do. Not for the money but for the prestige. The same with UBA where 4 nobel prizes went and study.
About the growth of the shanty towns, I must tell you, 70% of that population are immigrants. Argentina has a very lax immigration policy, thats why the great majority of the poor people of the poorest countries like Peru, Paraguay and Bolivia come here to live, and these numbers are increasing every year. Argentina allows them to come and live in the villas, and they come more and more every time because they can progress here more than anywhere in the continent (perhaps on a par with Chile, that has very tough immigration laws). So thats the reason why the shanty towns grew up unstoppably in the last ten years. The villas population, furthermore, are new arrivals, since the first generation had all settled down, and not in villas.


By the way, Im currently studying the subject "Cultura para la Paz y Derechos Humanos" in UBA by Adolfo Perez Esquivel (former peace nobel prize) and the technical definition of a violation of Human Rights (which it has to be always done by the State, when you have a situation with two particulars there are not Human Rights) is when prooved negligence sistematically. That means that in the tragedy of Once, for instance, the State has a lot of responsibility, is the main responsible, but its not a Human Right violation since its not prooved sistematically neglect but an accident. To be a violation it has to be done by an agent of the State, like in the dictatorship, with torture people assasinated, etc, or prooved negligency or abandonment not one or two but several times and/or with prooved intention.
BTW there are tons of conventions of Human Rights that are ratified by every country EXCEPT the US. This said by Adolfo Perez Esquivel, who travels a lot and knows about the issue. There are tons of Guantanamos around the globe where they torture people not one or two months but years. And the reason is not to get information (think about it, once the terrorist group knows they catched one of their group 2 or 3 days after they change every plan they had) its because they want to disciplinate the rest of the population, thats why all this torture and Human Right violation filters to the public.

Flagrants Human Right violations (besides Iraq and Afghanistan) made by the US but theres nothing you can do because is the main power of the world.
 
Fortunately, above your opinion and mine, there are people, very serious people, the most serious people that work in this, not argentine, not Indec, sociologists, science politicians, economists, a lot of professional people that work for the UN, World Bank and IMF that measure this with a scientific method..
 
I understand the issues and problems caused by currency restrictions. I am affected by them as much as anyone. But, anyone who is arguing that not being able to buy dollars is a violation of your human rights needs to gain a little bit of perspective.

To answer the original question, a good place to start is here:

www.amnesty.org/en/region/argentina

I think she meant it in the sense of 'civil liberties'. In any case, an Argentine born 'HUMAN' does does not have the 'RIGHT' (under this current government) to buy foreign currency in this country no matter how they paint it.
 
I think she meant it in the sense of 'civil liberties'. In any case, an Argentine born 'HUMAN' does does not have the 'RIGHT' (under this current government) to buy foreign currency in this country no matter how they paint it.

This is not true. Ok, it is illegally to buy a certain amount of dollars, but if really was a violation of that civil liberty, dont you think that they would have arrested someone? I mean, thousands of people use the black market to exchange dollars every day, at the blue rate. Dont you think the government knows that? it is a small market and because of the liberty of exchange foreign currency they do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it.
 
I don't consider 30.000.000 dollar a day x 250 days(bit more but weekends are slow)

That's a total of 7-8 billion dollars that get sucked out of the economy
 
This is not true. Ok, it is illegally to buy a certain amount of dollars, but if really was a violation of that civil liberty, dont you think that they would have arrested someone? I mean, thousands of people use the black market to exchange dollars every day, at the blue rate. Dont you think the government knows that? it is a small market and because of the liberty of exchange foreign currency they do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it.
I personally know one hard core Kirchnerista who was fuming the other day when he had to suddenly travel overseas for an important business meeting & was denied access to foreign currency by our dear AFIP. ...DO me a big favor & go and explain it to him that he has the 'right' to buy US$... ja ja ja.

Matias...are you still living here in BsAs? I wonder. Why oh why do some people STILL insist on defending these Kriminals & their lunatic policies? It boggles the mind.
 
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