Expensas rise 40% - Clarin

[jaredwb]

Are you being serious with your response to that joke, because your comments are incredibly disrespectful.

Militante in this context can not be translated as "militant student" but rather as "Political Activist". And the student was participating with the "Workers Party" supporting a Union Protest, I see no problem with that, and definately no reason to condone any violence against this student or other activists. Also, since so many students work during university, I see no reason why they should not be involved in Union Protests.

Although I may not agree with means used in many protests in this country, nor with the overwhelming power of the Unions in this country, I condemn all acts of violence, and in heart was with those protesting this young student's death.

What is disrespectful is 1000's of "political activists" cutting our streets and subways on almost a daily basis. Demanding OUTRAGEOUS salaries for nothing, destroying PRIVATE property, and in general acting like animals.

So are all the militantes in Paris "political activists"?? And the militantes here sure as heck can be considered student militants...that IS what they are. Anti-Government, anti-society...they are ANARCHISTS.

Take a look at the "political activists" that were marching in front of the schools. La Nacion did an expose on 8 student "leaders" and one of the questions was, "who are your political idols"? Answers: Chavez, Che, Marx, Stalin, and Peron...ALL murderers and communists.

These animals are thugs, pure and simple. And yes, while any loss of life is unacceptable, it doesn't surprise me in the least that it happened.

CFK was right (for once), many in the unions were waiting for a death to promote their agenda...I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

 

[jaredwb]

Sorry, it was a joke. I made it so outrageously absurd that I thought no one could take it seriously. I feel just the opposite, I am tired of the corrupt cabal running the country and other latin american countries, like the Kirchners, Moyano annd Cjavez.

I apologize if I got anyone upset by my tongue-in-cheek post, I was just trying to let off steam. Anyone who is familiar with my posts here know I am not a radical and that those are not my viewpoints.

Hey, sorry, a little hypersensitive due to everything going on here, Paris, and the U.S. Again, sad thing is that there are people who feel and believe the things you wrote...it's sad. Glad you aren't one of them

 

[marksoc]

I supposse that Jared is not a real person, because if not... Jared, this is a country where thousands of people were tortured and murdered because they didn´t shared your "ideas". I will respectfully ask you to shut up. This is not the US. If we saw neo-nazis speaking in a park,we will put them in jail (or somebody would crack their heads up before). Nobody will deny evolution here, or call Obama a "muslim terrorist". Not even the real Nazis that we received many years ago would do that.

And we are leftist. The "people" I mean. For sure leftist from an US perspective. Deal with it. And I am in Paris right now, and the workers are absolutely right about complaining. If there is money for the banks,there is money for the retirement at 60.

 

[jaredwb]

I supposse that Jared is not a real person, because if not... Jared, this is a country where thousands of people were tortured and murdered because they didn´t shared your "ideas". I will respectfully ask you to shut up. This is not the US. If we saw neo-nazis speaking in a park,we will put them in jail (or somebody would crack their heads up before). Nobody will deny evolution here, or call Obama a "muslim terrorist". Not even the real Nazis that we received many years ago would do that.

And we are leftist. The "people" I mean. For sure leftist from an US perspective. Deal with it. And I am in Paris right now, and the workers are absolutely right about complaining. If there is money for the banks,there is money for the retirement at 60.

Of course, I don't support any murders or torture of anyone, but let's take a look at the current political and social climate here in Argentina. Crime is very high (including attempted murders of innocent pregnant women and their unborn child who did die), the union thugs are running rampant and bankrupting the country (again), education is a disaster...so...I'm glad things are better.

And you made a great point...if you saw someone talking about ideas that are different than yours you would "crack their heads up". Sounds pretty civil to me, you?

As for Paris...if you really believe the crap you wrote, you are deeply, deeply mistaken. Apart, the Gov only wants to raise the retirement age 2 years. The Gov LOWERED the retirement age from 65 back in 1989 so it's not like all of a sudden the Gov is evil. The banks shouldn't have received any bail-outs, but neither should the unions.

And how sad a reflection on the French society that the students and youth are crying about the retirement age. They are already almost guaranteed jobs for life...no wonder no advances in...well...anything have come from France in centuries. (ok, maybe some food and fashion)

Hey, if you want to live in or support that type of society, go for it, but it is a strong reflection on your character.

 

[marrokome]

our doorman makes 9500 pesos last month. 9500!!!! Everyone's salary is right there on our expensas document - which by the way, I feel is a gross invasion of privacy, but there you go. At least it allows me to see what everyone is earning...9500!!!

Seriously? How is that possible? That adds up to $ US 2405.00 dollars a month. Not even the average middle class American makes that much money a month, these days!!!!! Is this doorman in Puerto Madero or what? THis is just too hard to believe.

 

[steveinbsas]

I can almost hear the porteros sighing with relief now that we have moved on to more important issues...and are at each others throats instead of theirs (marrokome must still be in the USA and not have developed the go for the jugular reflex that some BA expats have).

Perhaps we are going back to the topic?

My apartment expenses were $400 in late 2006. By June of 2009 they were $800. Then I moved to a PH where the total "consorcio" espensas" for two months was $8 (I paid 100% of the light bill for the pasillo).

I imagine the espensas for the apartment are now about $1200 per month. That figure would exceed all of my "expenses" for the house I live in now (LP gas, electricity (not subsidized), water, land phone, cellphone, insurance, 5GB wireless modum, and Direct TV).

 

[perry]

People are very suprised about some of the wages here but it is true that some porteros can earn this salary who have been working for 20 years . Many people now are earning 10,000 pesos per month which was a rarity three years ago.

There has been a boom in salaries and I would not be suprised in 3 years wages in Argentina will surpass even USA

 

[gouchobob]

People are very suprised about some of the wages here but it is true that some porteros can earn this salary who have been working for 20 years . Many people now are earning 10,000 pesos per month which was a rarity three years ago.

There has been a boom in salaries and I would not be suprised in 3 years wages in Argentina will surpass even USA

This prediction really defies comment, you really have to wonder about the posters objectivity and ability for rational thought. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of how bizarre.

 

[Lucas]

My bloody portero earns $8500 pesos per month plus overtime galore, okay he still here after more than 20 years, included in the original package was free accommodation (flat in the building) and all the expenses you can imagine, electricity, gas, telephone etc. etc. etc....

Do you want a good well paid job with little work, even he had a helper to do his job as well, a necessity to cut his uncontrolled overtime (it's cheaper that way), what about that? get a "portero" job and you will laughing all the way to the bank.

Now he wants to be sacked to get a compensation (3 years 1/2 from retirement) so he is doing absolutely nothing, helper do all and he give him the instructions (his boss) no one can touch him (an #@#!*&^ untouchable), what a beauty, so we will wait and put up with it until we can get rid of him for good, hopefully the time will come.

 

[esllou]

thanks Lucas, thought I was going mad thinking my doorman was richest guy in BA. Our apartment is 23 floors x 5 apartments each floor...and in recoleta...they are absolutely raking it in. I looked through the expensas booklet with my gf and she was choking with anger at the crap they spend their hundred thousand pesos on, but it was the wages that shocked us most. This guy does NOTHING and is a miserable fu<ker to boot. Sits there for 12 hours every day listening to bad argentine "country" music and scowling at us when we come in, sorry, when we dare to enter his abode.

9500!!!