Fernández will extend the quarantine another two weeks?

[gracielle]

19 April 2020
The controversy continues....Coronavirus in Argentina: they denounce that it is unconstitutional to force those over 70 to obtain a permit to circulate.
Constitutional lawyers Daniel Sabsay and Andrés Gil Domínguez affirm that it is discriminatory and that rights are being restricted to a portion of the population.

Coronavirus en Argentina: denuncian que es inconstitucional obligar a los mayores de 70 a sacar un permiso para circular

Los abogados constitucionalistas Daniel Sabsay y Andrés Gil Domínguez aseguran que es discriminatorio y que se le están restringiendo derechos a una porción de la población.

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19 April 2020
Criticism of the government...Coronavirus in France: outrage and controversy over the mandatory confinement of older adults.
President Emmanuel Macron announced that people over the age of 60 or 65 should stay home when the total quarantine is lifted.

Coronavirus en Francia: indignación y polémica por el confinamiento obligatorio de los adultos mayores

El presidente Emmanuel Macron anunció que las personas de más de 60 o 65 años deberán quedarse en sus casas cuando se levante la cuarentena total.

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Monday, April 20 is when the DNU goes into effect. The message on #147 says to call back on Monday to obtain the mandatory permit number which is good for 24 hrs. Any day you want to be out you need to request a new auth number.The Mayor and the Minister of Health held a news conference at 12 noon today. It was carried by all the local channels.

Larreta cannot enacts DNU, only decrees. DNU is a law that by passes the Congress because of an emergency.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

How will the permit be extended to expats over 70 who do not possess a DNI as they are currently residing in CABA with a tourist visa?

Simple. The AR legal system is based in living in Argentina as an inhabitant instead of your immigration legal status.
However, Larreta is Macrista and this is why he wants a DNI. You cannot apply.

 

[gracielle]

Larreta cannot enacts DNU, only decrees. DNU is a law that by passes the Congress because of an emergency.

Un decreto de necesidad y urgencia (DNU) es un tipo de norma existente en la Argentina que, a pesar de ser sancionada solo por el Poder Ejecutivo, tiene validez de ley....

You want to split hairs...fine.

 

[gracielle]

How will the permit be extended to expats over 70 who do not possess a DNI as they are currently residing in CABA with a tourist visa?

I just dialed the #147. The recorded message gives the caller 4 options....#1 to obtain the permit if you are 70+, #2 if you are 70+ to request assistance from a volunteer if you don't want to go out to pay bills, grocery shopping, etc. If selecting either option, the recorded message says "enter your DNI number....". Options #3 and 4 are re: flu vaccine locations and other general info. None of the 4 options include the possibility of speaking to a live operator without entering a DNI number.

 

[artisans]

I just dialed the #147. The recorded message gives the caller 4 options....#1 to obtain the permit if you are 70+, #2 if you are 70+ to request assistance from a volunteer if you don't want to go out to pay bills, grocery shopping, etc. If selecting either option, the recorded message says "enter your DNI number....". Options #3 and 4 are re: flu vaccine locations and other general info. None of the 4 options include the possibility of speaking to a live operator without entering a DNI number.

Did you give your DNI, get through to a live operator and ask about what people over 70 without DNI can/should do?

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Un decreto de necesidad y urgencia (DNU) es un tipo de norma existente en la Argentina que, a pesar de ser sancionada solo por el Poder Ejecutivo, tiene validez de ley....

You want to split hairs...fine.

Only the President can enact a DNU that is a decree with the legal value of a law allowed only in emergencies. Larreta is a simple major. He can enacts decrees.

 

[gracielle]

Did you give your DNI, get through to a live operator and ask about what people over 70 without DNI can/should do?

NO....I will call again tomorrow. The call center may have received calls with that question and have an answer after 24 hrs in operation???

 

[gracielle]

Modification of decree affecting 70+ year olds in CABA and those entering the city on any given day.

Coronavirus en la Argentina: al final, los mayores de 70 años solo deberán avisar si salen a la calle

No será un permiso y solo deberán llamar al 147 para tomar "conocimiento" de las alternativas que brinda el Ejecutivo. El aviso tendrá una validez de 48 horas. La resolución completa.

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....According to joint resolution 16 of the Ministry of Health and the Head of Cabinet, published this Monday in the Official Gazette of the City, this notice will last 48 hours (and not 24 as it was originally intended to be)....

....clarifies that it is not a "prohibition" to go out but to look for "alternatives" to prevent the elderly from leaving, in a context in which circulation on the streets is growing. "If they consider that they have to leave, that they give us the opportunity to dialogue, to understand why they have to leave, to try to solve the problem ... And if they consider that what we offer is not valid, it does not solve the problem or they do not like it, then they will have all the freedom to go out and do what they consider. "....

 

[gracielle]

Did you give your DNI, get through to a live operator and ask about what people over 70 without DNI can/should do?

Now a mute point. I suspect it is because the letter of the decree could have been argued successfully as to its constitutional legality.

20 April 2020 7:49am
Coronavirus: the City implemented the measure on older adults, but stressed that it is not mandatory to notify 147

Coronavirus: la Ciudad implementó la medida sobre los adultos mayores, pero recalcó que no es obligatorio avisar al 147

Coronavirus: la Ciudad implementó la medida sobre los adultos mayores, pero recalcó que no es obligatorio avisar al 147

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In the midst of the deep-seated controversy generated by the announced measure to restrict the circulation of those over 70 - which comes into force today -, the head of government Horacio Rodríguez Larreta asked that "an alternative be sought to see if they can be prevented from leaving " Although there is no longer an obligation for these adults to contact 147 before shopping or walking the dog, the government encourages people to do so in order to offer them an alternative to reduce exposure to the coronavirus.
This clarification occurred after the measure, published in the Official City Gazette, marked the need to preventively communicate with the Citizen Service, that is, number 147. According to article 2 of resolution 16, "a The effects of guaranteeing the knowledge of all the alternatives made available by the City to prevent people aged 70 or over from unnecessarily leaving their home or place where they are complying with social, preventive and mandatory isolation, are establishes " the need to previously communicate with the citizen service at number 147 "....