Gils Carbo, Procurator Fiscal - Resigns

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In Argentina having money overseas is legal as long as it's declared, if it isn't we are talking about tax evasion and that's a CRIME. Do you really think that if you have enough money to have a bank account abroad you are merely surviving?



Not so fast, he didn't just borrowed a car: http://www.perfil.co...0628-0037.phtml



Again, not so fast, he didn't just date a woman and you said. He had a very close relation to the recently arrested Leandro Santos: https://www.youtube....h?v=jiLZAe4rToM



No, he didn't and Bajo_cero2 was talking about this: https://es.wikipedia...nos_Aires_(2009)

Your last link is a dead (https://es.wikipedia...nos_Aires_(2009)


"Do you really think that if you have enough money to have a bank account abroad you are merely surviving?".
I was speaking 'figuratively' - I meant If you're a professional in Argentina with half an IQ & you have access to an external bank account you would know better than to keep all your money in pesos. I believe the account was a shared account and the total was around US$50,000.

And before you go believing in conspiracy theories by the local press, I'd suggest you research a bit longer.
You must be a Hillary supporter
You're right...Nisman deserved to be shot.

 

[Huey Long]

Your last link is a dead (https://es.wikipedia...nos_Aires_(2009)

Fixed: https://es.wikipedia...os_Aires_(2009)

I was speaking 'figuratively' - I meant If you're a professional in Argentina with half an IQ & you have access to an external bank account you would know better than to keep all your money in pesos. I believe the account was a shared account and the total was around US$50,000.

As long as you declare it and pay the corresponding taxes (if any) that would be OK, otherwise anyone doing that is a criminal, like it or not. I really don't want to go into the Nisman account/s details because AFAIK the movements (how much was left there at one point wouldn't be key nor clear him up of being corrupt if living way beyond his salary as he certainly did) haven't been made officially public.

And before you go believing in conspiracy theories by the local press, I'd suggest you research a bit longer.

If I believed the local press I would basically be expressing your opinion. Considering you didn't catch most of Bajo_cero2's references (not even the wiretapping case) perhaps you should start searching for alternative news sources.

You must be a Hillary supporter

I'm not a right wing liberal so that's not the case but I'm pretty sure you are the classic definition of argentine gorila

You're right...Nisman deserved to be shot.

Absolutely not (and that's not for anyone to decide but the Law, there's no death penalty in Argentina), although he shot himself (any other theory is a conspiracy one involving flying hitmen, please enjoy watching the video below) he deserved to be tried for his crimes whilst having a very expensive lawyer funded by either the local or foreign intelligence agencies he was working for.

https://www.youtube....h?v=cfDopNEBx7w

And please don't call this journalist K, nothing further from the truth.

 

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I'm not a right wing liberal so that's not the case but I'm pretty sure you are the classic definition of argentine gorila


Absolutely not (and that's not for anyone to decide but the Law, there's no death penalty in Argentina), although he shot himself (any other theory is a conspiracy one involving flying hitmen, please enjoy watching the video below) he deserved to be tried for his crimes whilst having a very expensive lawyer funded by either the local or foreign intelligence agencies he was working for.

https://www.youtube....h?v=cfDopNEBx7w

And please don't call this journalist K, nothing further from the truth.

I'm a dark skinned Argentine... why use the term 'Gorilla' .. ..just kidding ha ha., no chip on my shoulder.
"Right wing Liberal" ..I like your sense of humor.

Whether you believe Cristina's official investigation or not is not the point. So I don't know why the use of the 'C' word (conspiracy) cause Gendarmeria's official investigation has concluded that on the balance of probabilities we are dealing with a professional hit job here.

Are you actually suggesting that Nisman should have been tried? Is Nisman the criminal now?

 

[Huey Long]

I'm a dark skinned Argentine... why use the term 'Gorilla' .. ..just kidding ha ha., no chip on my shoulder.

I hope everyone reading understand that gorila in Argentina means anti peronist, otherwise here it's a good explanation: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorila_(denominaci%C3%B3n_pol%C3%ADtica)

"Right wing Liberal" ..I like your sense of humor.

There's always a pinch of truth on a joke.

Whether you believe Cristina's official investigation or not is not the point. So I don't know why the use of the 'C' word (conspiracy) cause Gendarmeria's official investigation has concluded that on the balance of probabilities we are dealing with a professional hit job here.

Did you watch the video? Have you been following Perfil/Noticias coverage? I wonder why Gendarmeria carried out an "official" investigation on a case like this when they have no experience whatsoever in the field and their reason d'etre is to protect the borders.
Are you even aware that Nisman body wasn't exhumed for Gendarmeria to do any investigation? Are you aware they based their "investigation" mostly on pictures of the body? There has been only ONE autopsy, the one done by the Supreme Court's Cuerpo Medico Forense. If you want to give any credibility to Gendarmeria go ahead, I could point to several sources that basically destroy their arguments (i.e. http://contrapoderweb.com/2017/10/15/kollmann-y-hauser-desbarataron-las-mentiras-del-dictamen-de-gendarmeria-por-nisman/) but I doubt you would trust them so let's wait and see, eventually the two teams will have to face each other.

Are you actually suggesting that Nisman should have been tried? Is Nisman the criminal now?

A bit late for that now but there's absolutely no doubt that he was a criminal that spent the money given to him by the state (if that isn't corruption perhaps corruption to you is defined as "a peronist taking a bribe") to investigate the bombing of the AMIA on his vices and a lifestyle he couldn't afford. The investigation he was in charge of went nowhere after several years and you can read about the complaints made by the victim's families about Nisman.

 

[Gringoboy]

So Huey, your conclusion is that Nisman was one scumbag investigating other scumbags? Is that pretty much it?
And the day before he's due to present his findings officially, he decides to top himself quite contrary to the arguments he was putting forward.

 

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Damian Pachter fled the country because the timing of the Nisman revelation pissed off people in the government.

Had he not broken the story when he did, things could have been arranged just so, and the suicide story which Huey Long is pushing but even CFK had to back off, would be THE accepted version of events. And the murder theory truly would be branded as the domain of conspiracy theorists.

Pachter's single premature tweet blew the lid off that whole operation. And when, citing threats to his life, he fled, instead of shrugging their shoulders and pretending they'd never heard of him, they took the thuggish, sinister (not to mention illegal) step of publishing the details of his plane ticket - which they illegaly obtained from Aerolineas - ON THE CASA ROSADA TWITTER ACCOUNT.

All but admitting, of course, quite how peeved they were at him. For what, if not for blowing their cover? Which cover bajo/Huey Long is trying to put back.

 

[Huey Long]

That's what Pachter said and most probably a smoke screen, thinking the previous government was involved in Nisman death is hilarious and absurd. Obviously you won't go into Nisman's allegiances letting him down (Stiusso promising some proof and never delivering, not even taking Nisman's calls), his pathetic accusation (http://www.telam.com...sistencias.html) against CFK being destroyed by Interpol's Ronald Noble statement (red notices were never going to be lifted) and the fact that the team he led (YES, ALL THAT PEOPLE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING THE AMIA BOMBING) could have continued the accusation very easily if they wanted to as they have all his work.

Easter egg: Nisman was so double-faced that he had two different statements written in his safe, one praising CFK and another attacking her.
http://www.iprofesio...uerte-de-Nisman

Here you have him praising CFK on TV: https://youtu.be/Dgwyy41MlEw?t=87

Are you by any chance suggesting Mossad's operative Pachter was involved somehow? Perhaps you think they carried out the contract themselves against their other operative in Buenos Aires. Do you think at that point, before it all crumbled down in the congress, he was more useful dead than alive?

I don't have to push anything, the only serious investigation, the only autopsy proved beyond any doubt that Nisman killed himself BUT feel free to argue otherwise and explain to us how they killed him (1 person as Arroyo Salgado experts said or 2 as Gendarmeria said) and disappeared without leaving any trace. Go ahead into the realm of conspiracy theorists and flying hitmen, maybe you can pick it up where Carrio left it "Comando Venezolano-Iraní (con adiestramiento Cubano)".

Did CFK really backed off or actually she always suspected Nisman was murderer? http://www.bigbangne...70914-0024.html

BTW I couldn't care less about CFK's opinion in this matter, she's no expert, I will go with the Cuerpo Medico Forense conclusion instead. Yes, those guys that do this kind of investigation for a living might have a clue or two ...

If you argument is based on the actions of a twitter account managed by a K fanatic proving anything I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

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I wouldn't go by "a twitter account managed by a K fanatic" to tell the time of day.

BUT, the actions taken by the account managed by the fanatic make it quite clear that the K camp had something to severely piss them off.

Were it not so, they would not go to the lengths of getting the flight info from Aerolineas, and rather giving themselves away by publishing it.

Easter egg: Nisman was so double-faced that he had two different statements written in his safe, one praising CFK and another attacking her.
http://www.iprofesio...uerte-de-Nisman

Yes, depending on whether the accord with Iran would be ratified or not. Like any political candidate has both a victory speech and a concession speech. Which one to use is kind of determined by, you know, the outcome.

 

[Huey Long]

I wouldn't go by "a twitter account managed by a K fanatic" to tell the time of day.

BUT, the actions taken by the account managed by the fanatic make it quite clear that the K camp had something to severely piss them off.

Were it not so, they would not go to the lengths of getting the flight info from Aerolineas, and rather giving themselves away by publishing it.

Actually the twitter account, that is still managed by the Ks (https://twitter.com/CasaArgentinaAR), was used to replicate this TELAM cable dated 24/01/2015:
http://www.telam.com...eso-nisman.html
https://twitter.com/...146735344562176

As you can see the flight details were published the day AFTER the actual flight (23/01/2015) the Mossad operative took to Montevideo so it's a bit hard to argue the government had any beef with him based on breaking the news. As far as I can see they tried (unsuccessfully and stupidly if you ask me) to prove he wasn't threatened because he had a return ticket. BTW it couldn't have been a big effort to know those flight details considering Aerolineas is a state managed company and it must have been full of employees from La Campora eager to prove Pachter was faking his fear.

Yes, depending on whether the accord with Iran would be ratified or not. Like any political candidate has both a victory speech and a concession speech. Which one to use is kind of determined by, you know, the outcome.

You mean if it was ratified by the Iranian congress (it wasn't BTW so how this could be presented as a crime is another mystery) and have any legal bearing? In any case that's not what he said with the other gato in the video I just posted and at that point in time the agreement was already signed. Why he changed his tune? Why he came back from Europe leaving his daughter behind? In the end he finally got tired of waiting for the proof Stiuso promised to him?



P.S. Living in Argentina I assume you know what "el que calla otorga" means.

 

[ben]

OK so now Pachter is a Mossad operative.
I was kinda expecting to hear that Nisman himself was working for the Mossad. Even better - Macri.

I never said getting his flight details was not terribly difficult, but definitely was a conscious act. Somebody had to pick up the phone and ask for it.

Re timing - not following your logic much. Yes they posted his flight details after he fled, at that point he was out of reach so this was really the most that could be done. "We've got your number". Before he fled, the idea was presumably to do more than divulge some personal info of his: that would be the precise reason for said flight...

If the point of posting it was to show his intent to return, it's kinda even stupider than before. Any semi-literate traveler knows that a short two-way is often cheaper than a one-way. And Pachter had made quite clear that he wasn't coming back within the term stated in the ticket.

Didn't watch most of the video, "el que calla otorga" assumes infinite time to spend on this which is quite far from the reality. I've quite gone over my limit already, and hope to stop soon. Going by that rule, you will almost certainly win this debate as I doubt I will be so foolish as to continue duking it out. For that matter, by that standard bajo wins just about every debate on this forum, too. (Assuming, by the way, that you and bajo are different people).

I am not nearly familiar enough with Nisman's career prior to 2015 to know when he praised CFK or not and what that would mean. By 2014 his tune was pretty clear, and as you may know he was murdered not in 2013, when that video was recorded, but in 2015, on the eve of his presentation to the Congress.

I similarly don't know what his return from Europe meant, if you do know please do let us know. To set everything up for his grand exit?