Greferendum

[ajoknoblauch]

Well, we should separate what is good for Greece and for Germany. For Greece is better the default, to abandon de Euro, to print Dragmas and to follow the path of Argentina.

We should never advise anyone to follow the path of Argentina.

 

[thorsten]

Well, we should separate what is good for Greece and for Germany. For Greece is better the default, to abandon de Euro, to print Dragmas and to follow the path of Argentina.

Or we can stop following stubborn ideologies and find a compromise where Greece performs necessary structural reforms in a way that economy is stimulated and the rest of the EU performs a partial debt write-off and gives Greece more time to reach realistic goals - this would profit both parties, but unfortunately politics doesn't necessary follow logical thinking.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Stubborn ideologies? You are talking about yourself? Over and over the stubborn ideologies you talk about (IMF, austerity and bla) destroys economies.

 

[TWB103]

Looks like La Campora - just in red and black instead of blue.

Their degree of fanaticism and flag waving they have in common but otherwise so very different. La Campora are silly idealistic 'educated' middleclass kids who treat political rallies like rock concerts. They wouldnt hurt a fly when push comes to shove whereas these Golden Dawn types are genuine violent thugs.

 

[Rich One]

Clarin today stated that German Banks and the FMI benefited by extending loans to Greece in 2012 at higher that the average interest rates...

Please educate me ? should the German Banks or FMI, have offered the same rates as for Switzerland to an extremely high credit risk country ? If Greece had better offers should have accepted them? What a Conundrum?

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Clarin today stated that German Banks and the FMI benefited by extending loans to Greece in 2012 at higher that the average interest rates...

Please educate me ? should the German Banks or FMI, have offered the same rates as for Switzerland to an extremely high credit risk country ? If Greece had better offers should have accepted them? What a Conundrum?

The point is that no matter how much money they lend, it is never going to be enough, that`s why default is the only option.

 

[camberiu]

Their degree of fanaticism and flag waving they have in common but otherwise so very different. La Campora are silly idealistic 'educated' middleclass kids who treat political rallies like rock concerts. They wouldnt hurt a fly when push comes to shove whereas these Golden Dawn types are genuine violent thugs.

I'd argue that La Campora is "well behaved" now because their friends are in power and trust be told, the political opposition in Argentina is either non-existent or in complete disarray.
Individuals who are normally very mild and civilized, can become thugs and assassins when in a mob, chanting political slogans and holding banners.

 

[Joe]

How long does it take to get Greferendum results?

Got the answer:

• JPMorgan expects ~90% of votes will have been counted by midnight, based on past general elections in Greece; vote counting could be even faster this time as it’s a yes or no question

And this is where things stand:

 

[toongeorges]

How long does it take to get Greferendum results?

Got the answer:

• JPMorgan expects ~90% of votes will have been counted by midnight, based on past general elections in Greece; vote counting could be even faster this time as it’s a yes or no question

[font=Lucida Grande']And this is where things stand:[/font]

It would be funny if the number of yes and no votes would be almost the same and there would follow a tragedy about recounting the votes.

 

[thorsten]

Stubborn ideologies? You are talking about yourself? Over and over the stubborn ideologies you talk about (IMF, austerity and bla) destroys economies.

Read again what I wrote and you'll see that my position is exactly *not* the position of the IMF/EU, neither its the position of Greece. But as a party soldier, you probably don't understand that one doesn't need to choose between black or white but that there's some spectrum in between...