Greferendum

[camberiu]

 

[toongeorges]

It seems that Greece is now proposing more or less the same thing for which Greeks said "no" in the referendum.

Varoufakis already said he would vote against the Greek proposal.

 

[Joe]

The reviews are in, and the critics are pretty much unanimous: Greece has caved. The country offered up a new bailout proposal to its European creditors on Thursday night that is largely similar to the deal its voters so roundly rejected in last weekend's referendum, complete with major concessions on budget surpluses, sales tax hikes, pension cuts, and the privatization state assets. Some of the austerity measures it includes may actually be more severe than the ones Greeks shot down at the polls.

http://www.slate.com...or_nothing.html

We need Yanis back .... NOW !!!

Thorsten's video on Yanis: https://youtu.be/Afl9WFGJE0M

 

[Rich One]

Helas Alas !! Greece has agreed to Cuts on budget surpluses, sales tax hikes, pension cuts, and the privatization state assets. Some of the austerity measures it includes may actually be more severe than the ones Greeks shot down at the polls. Was the referendum necessary??

Get ready for the 2018 Greek mega bailout,due to a more severe crisis.​

 

[ben]

Last I read, Yanis said he would have voted in favor had he been present.

 

[toongeorges]

Last I read, Yanis said he would have voted in favor had he been present.

First he was against, then he could not be present because of "family reasons" and then he was in favour. At least that is what the media was telling.

Now that Greece has proposed more or less what it rejected beforehand, the Eurozone finance ministers (especially Germany and Finland) think the proposal does not go far enough, so there is still no deal.

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported that Schäuble has a plan:
1. either Greece goes much farther than it proposed and has it approved by its parliament.
2. or Greece quits the Eurozone for at least five years.
Though apparently this plan has not been discussed between the Eurozone finance ministers.

 

[ben]

First he was against, then he could not be present because of "family reasons" and then he was in favour. At least that is what the media was telling.

Now that Greece has proposed more or less what it rejected beforehand, the Eurozone finance ministers (especially Germany and Finland) think the proposal does not go far enough, so there is still no deal.

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported that Schäuble has a plan:
1. either Greece goes much farther than it proposed and has it approved by its parliament.
2. or Greece quits the Eurozone for at least five years.
Though apparently this plan has not been discussed between the Eurozone finance ministers.

Yes, it's a matter of public record (he discusses it a bit on his personal blog) that his daughter and her mother live in Australia.

The way I read the deal with Schäuble is that it seems to have gotten personal. He wants to show that he - and/or Germany in general - is not to be screwed with.

 

[toongeorges]

The way I read the deal with Schäuble is that it seems to have gotten personal. He wants to show that he - and/or Germany in general - is not to be screwed with.

I am just wondering how Greeks would perceive this all. I think they might feel insulted if they would have to accept conditions that are worse than the proposal they rejected.

I am not so worried about the economic consequences, the euro will live on with or without Greece and Greece will live on with or without the euro.

I am more worried about people mistrusting each other in Europe. The idea of the European Union is that member countries feel united, so the old situation of Europe with different nation states that are in conflict with each that could cause war could be prevented. The predecessor of the European Union has been founded as a reaction against the second world war.

If there is a situation in which either Greece or Germany cannot be happy, something is not working well in Europe.

 

[Joe]

Toon Town is letting his hatred for Yanis get in the way of common sense. Of course Yanis cannot officially oppose the government at such a sensitive time but can indicate by his action of leaving the capital that he doesn't support the Greek government cave-in.

 

[toongeorges]

Toon Town is letting his hatred for Yanis get in the way of common sense.

I do not hate Yanis more than you love him, Joe.