Has The Long Awaited Crackdown On 90 Day Overstays Begun?

[Ceviche]

Argentina is in the 3rd World

If Argentina is 3rd world - So what is Bangladesh, Congo and Haiti?

have you ever traveled out of USA and South America?

 

[EJLarson]

If Argentina is 3rd world - So what is Bangladesh, Congo and Haiti?

have you ever traveled out of USA and South America?

Insulting, ad hominem, and juvenile - trifecta!

And, by the way, "third-world," in case you weren't aware, is applied to all kinds of totally-dissimilar nations because nobody yet has coined "4th world" or "5th world" to describe the truly miserable countries. So your point is what? That Argentina ranks with Germany as a world political and economic power?

 

[Ceviche]

Insulting!

Thats how I feel when you insult my adopted country, whose national I am.

Now..hell with you and yr counter questions.

 

[EJLarson]

Thats how I feel when you insult my adopted country, whose national I am.

Now..hell with you and yr counter questions.

Boy, I really love a witty comeback. But in case you didn't notice, and it seems you didn't, I wasn't the poster you insulted, and I'll bet my history with Argentina is longer than yours. Guess your attention to detail is a little off today, huh?

 

[citygirl]

I don't think anyone (or at least I) was advocating overstaying or anything else. I was simply saying that

a) 99% of the time, these posts are made by a first time poster and they never reappear so it's a bit..sketchy shall we say and

B) As important as it may be to those who are "permatourists", I don't think migraines is particularly concerned. I doubt there are many and if you're talking about those abusing the "tourist" visa, I"d be willing to bet you would find a lot more coming from other Mercosur countries as opposed to N/America/Europe. , I may be wrong but my friends in tourism/real estate/etc have told me they don't see nearly the numbers that they used to of people coming here.

 

[Noesdeayer]

EJLarson: Thanks for your clarification.
Ceviche. Please Google :The Third World for a series of definitions a number of which fit Argentina quite well. Yes,I have travelled all over Europe plus N.and S.America & the Caribe
Citygirl Right you are when I got my DNI in 1979 during the military gov't there were literally hundreds of thosands of Bolivians,Paraguayans,Uruguayans and Chileans at Migraciones as well.Because the previous Peronist gov'ts NEVER obliged them to get "radicacion" and the milicos would drag them in for questioning without it.
Very few of them had even begun the process despite of living here for years.

 

[EJLarson]

EJLarson: Thanks for your clarification.
Ceviche. Please Google :The Third World for a series of definitions a number of which fit Argentina quite well. Yes,I have travelled all over Europe plus N.and S.America & the Caribe
Citygirl Right you are when I got my DNI in 1979 during the military gov't there were literally hundreds of thosands of Bolivians,Paraguayans,Uruguayans and Chileans at Migraciones as well.Because the previous Peronist gov'ts NEVER obliged them to get "radicacion" and the milicos would drag them in for questioning without it.
Very few of them had even begun the process despite of living here for years.

Just one more thing to add on this subject (and not meant in an argumentative way - just for historical accuracy), is that one of the originators and adopters of the term "third world" was Juán Perón, who applied it to the country he led, Argentina.

An excerpt from the Wiki article (https://en.wikipedia...World_Socialism):

"Third World Socialism was a variant of Socialism proponed by Kwame Nkrumah, Modibo Keïta, Ahmed Sékou Touré, Fidel Castro, Julius Nyerere, Salah al-Din al-Bitar, Michel Aflaq, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Juan Perón, Jawaharlal Nehru, Sukarno, David Ben-Gurion,[sup][1][/sup] Muammar Gaddafi, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto,Buddhadasa, Walter Lini and other such socialist leaders of the Third World who saw a non-Soviet version of socialism as the answer to a strong and developed nation. It could be argued that the new "turn to the left" leadership in Latin America (see Socialism of the 21st century), with its anti-Americanism, connection with less developed Eastern Europe, sense of undeveloped countries/developing countries unity and pro-Arabism/pro-Islamism is a new kind of Third World socialism.​

It may be described as an ideologically specific form of Third-worldism, and it is made up of African socialism, Arab socialism, Nasserism, Peronism, Nehruism, Labor Zionism,[sup][2][/sup] Islamic Socialism,[sup][Note 1][/sup]Buddhist socialism and Melanesian socialism."​

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Noesdesyer: "Bajo_Cero2
What do you mean by,"Perhaps you are over rating yourself"?"

Well, weren'tou who asserted that the illegal immigration (pseudo tourist) were needed for busting the economy?

"I have been a legal resident in Argentina for about as many years as you are old.I am a "jubilado argentino" as well."

Does it matter? I think not.


"You could be running a little scared now that the gov't with whom you had a vested interest is no longer in the Casa Rosada"

Vested interest? Like what? Clarify it.

As far as i know, i had real reasons to fear during the last administration where a federal judge made 17 criminal fake cases against me and the Consejo de la Magistratura (k) was protecting her.

I have never had so much work like now.

"Sooner or later,probably,later Argentina will begin to modify their immigration priority policies.Then we'll see what happens."

The decay and fall of this country is related to the change in the immigration politics making them more restricted. So, i guess that it is predictable what happens.

Until Peron the immigration category was "immigrant".

When some people assert that Peron f...ed up this country, i agree but by different reasons: immigration.

The immigration categories we have now are reactionary not only the national constitution but even the revolution of independence from Spain.

In fact, they immigration categories comes from the law of Spain for the colonies. Nice. That is why the former administration made it easier to the former other colonies.

So, ignorancy is a bliss.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Are the "notifications of fines" for overstaying the tourist visa (the original issue of this topic)?

Is it actually a demand for payment of a fine or is it an official notification of a violation that can only be dealt with by paying?

I once heard a "rumor" that Chinese had to pay an exorbitant fee upon entry, but I am not sure if that is $ paid above or below the table to migraciones. Once admitted, why would they have to pay a fine of any kind?...or are they only given 90 day visa on entry and then expected to pay more later?

They are fines of about 300.000 for working without legal residency.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I also want to know from Bajo how exactly the Chinese get the visa for Argentina from Argentina embassy in Beijing. I know for sure, to get the Argentine visa in 3rd nd 4th world countries..its v v tough. So am wondering how are they getting this visa. How much are they paying? Or are they coming here without the visa from border of Bolivia ?

They are comming mainly as victims of traficking because they do not grand visas unless they left a guarantie behing (like real estate).