Job Offer in Buenos Aires

steveinbsas said:
I'd love to know how the OP will learn much about his father or his roots when he is in BA. He said his father speaks Spanish, but never indicated that his father was from Argentina.

Others have posted in ther forum that being able to speak Argentine castellano might not be very uesful outside of Argentina and others have posted how difficult it is to make freinds with Argentines. I tend to agree.

The op was clear about his roots... Reread.

On the Spanish front, I learned castellano from scratch at LA uba and use it to speak with many Spanish speakers from around the world. Perhaps others have had the same experience.
 
TrevorCito said:
The op was clear about his roots... Reread.


You are right...daddy's from a very different BA than the one the OP will encounter if he takes the job.
 
Just to chime in here, you CAN get a garantia without a temporary/permanent DNI. All you need to have a garantia is the willing garantor (or, as another person said, buy one from the bank). When I signed my long term contract the only thing that the inmob's looked at was my proof of income/job and the fact that I had people willing to put their deed on the line. The state of my visa (tourist, 90day at the time) never once came into question.
 
The OP majored in engineering and thus is reasonably well versed in risk calculation.

The main risk is that he will hate BsAs after a short stay and may loose a couple of month's rent.

Standard contract: "NOVENO: RESOLUCIÓN ANTICIPADA. EL LOCATARIO podrá rescindir el presente contrato después de transcurridos seis meses de locación, debiendo dar aviso al LOCADOR con sesenta (60) días de anticipación, mediante notificación fehaciente. Para el caso que el LOCATARIO rescinda el presente contrato durante el primer año de vigencia de la locación, abonará al LOCADOR o sus representantes, una indemnización equivalente a un mes y medio de alquiler vigente al momento de desocupar la propiedad; y la de solo un mes si la rescisión se produce después de transcurrido el primer año de locación."

The main advantages are that he won't need a guarante and - given the high crime rate - he doesn't have to carry money from an ATM, casa de cambio or bank, and as the rent for a whole years can be transferred from bank to bank using IBAN & SWIFT (fee ~ U$S 40), he will save ATM fees.

The OP can decide to take a calculated risk or not, in accordance with his perception of risk.
In a worst case scenario he is not going loose neither life or limbs, only money.

Faint heart never won fair maiden.
 
@Steve:

I put the example of Thailand since is a 3rd World Country and with a low wage for 1st World standards it is possible to live and even save. I know people that do the same in BA, the trick is to share a big flat with other 2 people, especially if one is a local, and to live NOT in Palermo (Villa Crespo, or Almagro, anything outside the bubble).
 
Hey everyone,

The advice I have received in this thread is very detailed and I greatly appreciate it. I just graduated on Sunday so I haven't had a chance to reply until now.

I will talking to the HR representative for the company tomorrow and am preparing questions based on my research and the info in this thread. I would like to reply to a few responses as well, but before I do that I'd like to clarify a few things based on what I've read.

I'm not looking to necessarily stay several years here. I can't imagine it would be more than 3, and much more likely 1-2 years, because I don't want to go too long without significant savings. The company would require a one year contract as terms of the offer.

My father grew up in Buenos Aires from 3 to 18. He is Italian and has lived in the US since his mid 20's.

I see a few benefits of doing this. The first would be cultural and language immersion that would continue to develop my Spanish interests and abilities. I likely would not have an opportunity like this again for that.

I majored in engineering but have recently been drawn to the business world and the consulting industry. This job would allow to me to explore that type of career, gain work experience and get away from school for a bit.

Lastly, I think it would be a tremendous growth expiring living in a foreign country on a continent I've never been, managing my own budget for the first time and having to make an entirely new set of friends and acquaintances.

Now to reply some comments,

However, you won't be going out to the expensive luxury places foreigners go to, you won't be saving any money either.

Are you talking mostly about dining? I'm not a very luxurious dining person but I want to eat healthy - not pizza and empanadas all of the time as someone mentioned. I'd try to cook a decent amount of the time.

While a few things are cheaper, most are on par with, or more expensive than, groceries in the States.

How much would you budget a week/month on groceries?

And to those who said it wouldn't help the OPs career - personally, I would be *very* impressed with a candidate who started working right after school, had the cojones to move to a foreign country and learn a language. It shows a desire to work, strong initiative, an ability to take risks but plan and if the OP comes back fluent in Spanish - even better.

This is exactly why I would want to go.

When I commented that this job might not enchance your resume I had two things in mind: Will a future employer wonder how soon you will again be bitten by the international travel bug and, if he knows how little compensation you worked for in Argentina, will he be willing to offer you a decent salary in the first place? Perhaps you can get around both "objections" by saying you had a "paid internship" in Buenos Aires. I think they would buy that, especially if you go to grad or business school immediately after retruning to the States.

In a sense it is like an internship. I don't see any reason I would have to disclose my salary with a prospective employer. I would be returning to the US to apply to similar quality jobs to what I am looking at now, but with a year or two of abroad living and work experience. I don't really think a worry of wanting to leave the country again would be an issue, and if I stay in consulting there is plenty of travel. One idea would even be to specialize in a sector of a company that deals with Spanish speaking or Latin American markets.

and to live NOT in Palermo (Villa Crespo, or Almagro, anything outside the bubble).

Where would you say are the best areas for young expats looking for cultural immersion to live? I did say I wanted to live in the center of the city but I wasn't talking about downtown necessarily, just close enough to the job to make travel easy enough. The job is in San Nicolas from what I can tell of maps of the city.
 
Davidglen77 said:
Payroll deductions are as follows:
11% Aportes Jubilatorios (retirement, obligatory)
3% Obra Social (national health insurance, obligatory)
2% Aportes sindicales (trade union, MAY be optional)

Approximate salary after 15% deduction, in hand $4.250 pesos

Earning $5.000 pesos per month, you shouldn't be paying impuesto a las ganancias. 2 months ago, the minimum salary that would be required to pay the ganancias tax was raised to $ 5.782 for a single unmarried person with no children.

Can you explain how this works if a salary exceeds that threshold? I did some calculations and it doesn't make sense to me.

From how I understand your post, one would pay 16% in taxes if they made 5,782.

Thus

$5000 gross = $4200
$5500 gross = $4640

etc.

http://www.pwc.com/us/en/hr-international-assignment-services/assets/argentina-folio.pdf

Looking at this website, the income tax for 60K-90K annually (4615-6923 monthly) is 27% and 90K-120K (6923-9230 monthly) is 31%.

Assuming this is added to the 16% rate (which could be a very bad assumption), the tax jumps to 43% and 47% in these brackets. That would mean the pays for some salaries in that range would be:

$6000 gross = $3420
$6500 gross = $3705
$7000 gross = $3710
$7500 gross = $3975

All of which are lower than the net pay with a $5000 income. How can this be possible? I am sure it must be more complicated than that, but I am trying to figure out how much I would actually gain should I negotiate for a higher salary, based on that tax exempt bracket under $5782.





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I would say

1: Save 3 to 6k before coming
2: Commit to 6-9 months and rent a room
3: If you after 6 to 9 months dont have either of this 3

A: a (g)f you really love and can live together with
B: Garantia for a appartment for at most 600 dollar a month
C: 50% raise

Move elsewhere where your education is worth more.

In 6 to 9 months you should be able to explore enough of BA to feel the city and do most of the fun things. Do make sure you have some cash to spare because with 4000 peso you wont be able to do much
 
Xeneizes said:
Where would you say are the best areas for young expats looking for cultural immersion to live? I did say I wanted to live in the center of the city but I wasn't talking about downtown necessarily, just close enough to the job to make travel easy enough. The job is in San Nicolas from what I can tell of maps of the city.

I suggest you look for a place in Barrio Norte (as defined by this map): http://www.enbuenosaires.com/.
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San Nicolas is also known as the Microcenter. If you live in Barrio Norte you will be able to easily walk to work if you want to avoid the rush hour crush (when busses and subways are jammed with commuters that close to the center).

Do a little research and see what you can find in Tribunales area.
 
Barrio norte(depends where though) to San Nicolas is quite a walk, I would definitly go for a appartment within 10 blocks of your office
 
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