Judgement Left Intact: Vulture Funds

The raison d etre of these funds is pure speculation. They base their power in amasing power of lobby they have. They have even more power than entire nations, they are like the hard core of the financial capitalism, so pretty much they can do whatever they want.
 
It was in a middle of a major economic crisis. They had just retired their last traditional aircraft carrier, the Ark Royal, and had to rely on two light carriers equipped only with what was considered back then a funny and unreliable contraption/scientific project, the Harrier jets. For bombers, they had the Vulcans, planes designed back in the late 1940s.
They also had to build a supply line that was 12,000 KM long, which they new they could not sustain for long periods of time. The British task force had with it just enough ammo, supplies and flue to last but a few weeks off the Falkland's coast. They had to either land or retreat.
Argentina, on the other hand, had at the time the most advanced military of any non-aligned nation. The Skyhawks, Mirages and Daggers had just been proven in great combat planes less than 10 years before, during the Yom-Kippur conflict. The navy operated one of the most advanced combat system in the world, the combination Super Etendard/Exocet, that had just entered in operation in France 2 years before the Falkland conflict. It was something so incredibly advanced at the time, that even the British had nothing comparable on their arsenal back then. Argentina also had very modern german submarines and torpedoes, and had the Argentines used them correctly, they could have sunk the entire British task force. All of that operating just a few hundred kilometers from the Argentine coast.

The iron lady took a tremendous political risk by trying to retake the island by force, as it was as far from a "sure thing" as one could get.

we didnt use our submarines or our aircraft carreer. If they needed, the UK could have kicked our asses more than they did. Didnt they bring a nuclear submarine? they sunk the Begrano but could have sunk other ships! the Harriers did win the air battles. there wasnt any chance for Argentina. Our soldiers were 18 y/o kids from Chaco while the british were professional trained soldiers. Ther wasnt any chance for Argentina. No way.
 
So just a few facts about the Argentina debt and vulture funds (and sorry for interrupting the fan posts for the iron lady and about the malvinas):

1998 Argentina depression started
2002 Default
2003 N. Kirchner gets elected
Argentina starts negotiating to refinance the dept.
2005 First agreement with creditors to refinance debt is reached
2008 Vulture funds start buying old bonds at around 1/17 of the value from Argentina's creditors
2010 Second agreement with creditors is reached
Creditors of 92% of the debt have agreed to the refinance offers

Vulture funds request Argentina to pay full value of bonds. For example NML Capital (based in the tax haven Cayman Islands) who bought the bonds for 48 million USD requests payment of the full value of 832 million from Argentina.

Question NML invested $US 50 MM aprox in 2002 . How much should they receive considering interests etc after 12 years??
16 times the investment or 10 times or the face value of the Bonds? ??
 
the UK was what? the third power military of the world? Plus with the help of the US!
They knew, they had intelligence here, of the Operacion Condor, they knew the cahnces for Argentina were few, they knew how many exocets we had, they knew the stae the army here, the marine, although we had an aircraft carreer it didnt get involved in the conflict.... they were a LOT more powerful, their planes, they were more preparred, more proffesional, they brought even a nuclear submarine! lot of the result of that conflict was determined by intelligence agencies, and the US intelligence agency did whatever they wanted here during the dictatorship. Here, in Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. Plan Condor, they were lords and masters in the region.

There were no chances for Argentina to win.

Matias, I appreciate your sincerity. But seriously, your post indicates you know little about the military reality of the conflict nor of the military reality of fighting a war 1/2 world away. There are some of us who have studied this war professionally (because we didn't want to repeat the same mistakes). There was absolutely no guarantee that the UK would win that one. The risks were very high on both sides. The major failure was that both sides assumed the other would back down. They didn't. Lots of people lost their lives as a result.

Now, how about those vultures!
 
I find it amusing that they always use the figures about how much the vulture funds bought it and how much more they want. Does it really matter? Yes, one can argue that these funds are greedy as **** and only care about profits. However, a debt which is represented by the face value of the bond and if the face value is 1 billion, then its 1 billion, whether you bought it for 1$ or 10 billion $. So instead focusing on how much profit a company x makes, it would be way smarter to focus on the real questions like
- what are the options for Argentina now after the court ruling
- how can Argentina regain credibility and access to the international credit market
- what could be changed to ensure countries can enforce a "fair" debt restructuring agreement with all creditors on equal terms
 
I find it amusing that they always use the figures about how much the vulture funds bought it and how much more they want. Does it really matter? Yes, one can argue that these funds are greedy as **** and only care about profits. However, a debt which is represented by the face value of the bond and if the face value is 1 billion, then its 1 billion, whether you bought it for 1$ or 10 billion $.

So why did the creditors sell it for 1/17 when it was worth 1/1?
 
Vulture funds request Argentina to pay full value of bonds. For example NML Capital (based in the tax haven Cayman Islands) who bought the bonds for 48 million USD requests payment of the full value of 832 million from Argentina.
Argentina could have bought the same paper (Tango Bonds) at a fraction of the face value just like the vultures did way back when. There was nothing stopping them from doing so except their pride. Everything was at rock bottom prices. Bolivia repurchased their debt at fire sale prices by saber rattling "default." Played the market like a fine tuned fiddle. The take it or leave it attitude did not work as planned. A very expensive miscalculation.
 
So why did the creditors sell it for 1/17 when it was worth 1/1?

Maybe because in panic situations people behave not very rational and their expectation was that they probably won't get more in the near future, while the funds speculated on getting more long-term and thus bought it... Apart from that, the individual thought process of each actor doesn't really matter, so what's your point?
 
Maybe because in panic situations people behave not very rational and their expectation was that they probably won't get more in the near future, while the funds speculated on getting more long-term and thus bought it... Apart from that, the individual thought process of each actor doesn't really matter, so what's your point?
My point is that it was obvious at the time that the bonds did not have the face value anymore.
 
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