Kicillof For President?

[French jurist]

Didn't he call himself a "communist"? He certainly has extreme socialist ideas, so if that's what you like, he's your man.

There was a thread on the Argentina Marxist Youth forum months ago discussing about that (shortly after he got nominated), they were laughing at people calling him Marxist (can try to find it again although I don't visit much Marxist sites)

 

[Rich One]

he clearly is not an orthodox technocrat. He is neo keynesianist, like this government. Whether you like it or not, this government is very peronista, and Kicillof must agree with the policies they make. So, I wouldnt say he is not a Peronista. He just avoid the peronism puterío, the politics, but the economic policies are very peronistas.

Couldn't agree more jajajajajaj As Peron said " Sin bombacha ni corpiño somos todos Peronista! Es cualquiera ! So was el Turco a true Peronista!

 

[Matiasba]

people who understand politics never call menemismo peronismo. It was just the opposite, they did the opposite they told they would do if they got ellected. They did the exact same thing that UCD proclaimed and dictatorship did, they governed for a minority. They used peronism symbols, demagogia, etc, but governed with the exact oposite premises. Not nacional y popular but privatising, taking debt and deindustrialising.

It is more complex, though, because they got reelected in 95, which was like an enygma to lots of analysts, but things got clear to the majority when it ended in 2002.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

people who understand politics never call menemismo peronismo. It was just the opposite, they did the opposite they told they would do if they got ellected. They did the exact same thing that UCD proclaimed and dictatorship did, they governed for a minority. They used peronism symbols, demagogia, etc, but governed with the exact oposite premises. Not nacional y popular but privatising, taking debt and deindustrialising.

It is more complex, though, because they got reelected in 95, which was like an enygma to lots of analysts, but things got clear to the majority when it ended in 2002.

Menenism was indeed Peronism, which is synonymous with "opportunism."

 

[HenryNisental]

Kicillof is the archetype of Argentine bureaucrat: a bum with no practical experience whatsoever. He never managed a simple choripan stand, let alone an small or medium size company.All he did was theorize inside the UBA classrooms, surrounded by Marxists. It is a disgrace that our Republic be managed by people like him, and the results are free for all to see.
And, by the way, he is not the only one!.Mr CAvallo got his degree in economics in Cordoba, and never worked in the free market, he was protected by the Catholic Church by hiring him in a think-tank (Fundacion Mediterranea) until he was named Economy Minister. And we know what happened next! More, he became a Harvard professor!!!!!

 

[Matiasba]

no, peronismo has its slogans and its premises, whether you like ot not, they are there. And what Menem did was promise these premises, (google "salariazo" and "revolución productiva") and end up doing the exact oposite, the exact oposite direction of Nacional & Popular: while peronismo is nacionalizar, industrializar, pleno empleo, a national project, menemismo is privatizar, deindustrialise, 25% unemployment (during 10 years!), simple.
Menem was pro financial capitals, pro taking debt, pro bicicleta financiera. Peronismo was the exact oposite, was production, was industry. Check out the lyrics of the peronist anthem, and you will see it says "COMBATIENDO AL CAPITAL".

So tell me, how can these oposites be the same? which one is more peronist? a 1990 neoliberal model or the first period of Peron (1946-1952)?

 

[Matt84]

hahaha IF ONLY!!!
I don't particularly like him, but IF ONLY Argentina elected a technocrat!
I have no idea who might be the next Opportu-Peronist in power, but I have a suspicion he, she, or s/he wont look a bit as civilised Kiciloff. And btw, the President needs to be a Roman Catholic... and even if he was or converted, I think the people are more likely to elect (and re elect after two te--rist bombings in the city) a Syrian Muslim before someone remotely Jewish. Kir(S!)chner was Swiss-Croatian. but again we have Dilma in Brazil, so I might be wrong...

 

[Gringoboy]

I think he found himself in deep water and totally out of his depth and it shows.

 

[ghost]

I think he found himself in deep water and totally out of his depth and it shows.

When you stroll on to the field to play hard ball with the big boys wear the fucking team uniform. It's New York, It's the 11th hour, you are across the table from guys who eat babies. Wear big boy shoes and suit and look the look, show some respect.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

no, peronismo has its slogans and its premises, whether you like ot not, they are there. And what Menem did was promise these premises, (google "salariazo" and "revolución productiva") and end up doing the exact oposite, the exact oposite direction of Nacional & Popular: while peronismo is nacionalizar, industrializar, pleno empleo, a national project, menemismo is privatizar, deindustrialise, 25% unemployment (during 10 years!), simple.
Menem was pro financial capitals, pro taking debt, pro bicicleta financiera. Peronismo was the exact oposite, was production, was industry. Check out the lyrics of the peronist anthem, and you will see it says "COMBATIENDO AL CAPITAL".

So tell me, how can these oposites be the same? which one is more peronist? a 1990 neoliberal model or the first period of Peron (1946-1952)?

At the time Menem took power, that was where the opportunities were, and he took them. The opportunities were a bit different when the Kirchners came to power, and they took those. Peronism has an enduring rhetoric of nacionalismo barato, but it has no principle other than opportunism.