Kicillof Pays To 92% Of Bondholders, Griesa's Move Now?

[Don Alberto]

Don Alberto first tried to confuse you asserting that the debt was created by Alfonsin, not Videla.

This is not casual.

Alfonsin didn t recognize the debt taken by Videla.

If we talk about debt, Macri is taking loans but the money is partially used. Where are the 10 km subway per year???
Seems that he is using this loans he takes on the city to finance his campaign for presidency. To pay professional bloggers on Fb and forums is part of his campaign.

So, yes, it is relevant because to hide that he is local afects his credibility.

Boyo, you are completely off your rocker. Stop smoking whatever it is you are smoking.

First I documented that out of 144 billion US$ debt in 2002, between 32 and 37 billion was incurred by the dictatorship, while between 107 and 112 billion was incurred by the democratic governments from 1983 and forward.

Next, let us assume I am a porteño - is it then possible for me to write that I am Finnish or Austrian or Zimbabwian?
You must be extremely gullible if you think a paid propagandist would expose his real fatherland.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Why does it matter to you so much where Don Alberto is from? You're beginning to sound like ajoknoblauch and his soccer fixation.

He also tried to confuse people regarding "acording to him" the lack of difference between a legal person prívate (a company) and a legal person of públic law (a State).

The same bs about soveragny.

Lucky us he didn t argue about públic order, probably because he didn t understood what it means in law.

The fact is that because argentina is not a simple legal person, Griesa call for a negociation. Among other reasons, because Argentina is ruled by Argentina's law.

The fact is that Griesa can decide if Argentina pays or not, but not how.

The comments in academic debates were that the sentence was going to be unenforzable (before he enacts it).

So, the fact is that law is not maths as Don Alberto pretends. Ignorancy blessed him.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

You said i was on the ignore list but... You reply...another lié.

 

[Matiasba]

Does the fact that Clarin is biased somehow clear Pagina/12 from being a governmental propaganda machine?

If not, I fail to see the relevance of your post, except as http://en.wikipedia....ki/Whataboutery

My point is that if Pagina 12 is propaganda and "a tragedy to journalism", you can also apply that to Clarin. In fact, as I mentioned a few days ago o this board, you can have some memorably front pages from Clarin that were a clear manipulation of public opinion (or just simply, lies). We could argue this for years, if they are both biased or if that is in fact journalism, on my defense I dont remember one of those grotesque front pages from Pagina 12, and I have a lot of that from Clarin.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

My point is that if Pagina 12 is propaganda and "a tragedy to journalism", you can also apply that to Clarin. In fact, as I mentioned a few days ago o this board, you can have some memorably front pages from Clarin that were a clear manipulation of public opinion (or just simply, lies). We could argue this for years, if they are both biased or if that is in fact journalism, on my defense I dont remember one of those grotesque front pages from Pagina 12, and I have a lot of that from Clarin.

There is no neutral media. It is smart to know what are you reading.

Tiempo argentino is goverment propaganda. It is naive to assert that Página is too. In fact, it is the in the other way. The goverment follows Vertbitsky advice and Página is Verbitsky. Clarin lost its credibility, now they supports Macri but they invented Massa.

I prefer to read página, perfil, clarin and la nación. When i want to know the opinión of the goverment in a subject, i read tiempo argentino.

 

[Matiasba]

There is no neutral media. It is smart to know what are you reading.

Tiempo argentino is goverment propaganda. It is naive to assert that Página is too. In fact, it is the in the other way. The goverment follows Vertbitsky advice and Página is Verbitsky. Clarin lost its credibility, now they supports Macri but they invented Massa.

I prefer to read página, perfil, clarin and la nación. When i want to know the opinión of the goverment in a subject, i read tiempo argentino.

I dont like Tiempo Argentino at all, I found it plain propaganda. At least Pagina has a history on the left... I found La Nacion and Pagina more centered than Clarin and Tiempo, who are in the extremes.
Tiempo is not leftie, is Kircherista, and I m not sure the Ks are the left. I mean, it is indeed the farther left we have had, but they do not represent all the left.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Boyo, you are completely off your rocker. Stop smoking whatever it is you are smoking.

First I documented
Next, let us assume I am a porteño - is it then possible for me to write that I am Finnish or Austrian or Zimbabwian?
You must be extremely gullible if you think a paid propagandist would expose his real fatherland.

You fail badly the credibility interrogación.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I dont like Tiempo Argentino at all, I found it plain propaganda. At least Pagina has a history on the left... I found La Nacion and Pagina more centered than Clarin and Tiempo, who are in the extremes.
Tiempo is not leftie, is Kircherista, and I m not sure the Ks are the left. I mean, it is indeed the farther left we have had, but they do not represent all the left.

We agree about that.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

There is no neutral media. It is smart to know what are you reading.

Tiempo argentino is goverment propaganda. It is naive to assert that Página is too. In fact, it is the in the other way. The goverment follows Vertbitsky advice and Página is Verbitsky. Clarin lost its credibility, now they supports Macri but they invented Massa.

I prefer to read página, perfil, clarin and la nación. When i want to know the opinión of the goverment in a subject, i read tiempo argentino.

Pagina/12 was once a brave independent voice. Now it grovels to power.

 

[scotttswan]

http://baexpats.org/topic/26401-priceless-this-is-the-start-of-the-anti-corruption/page__st__90

http://baexpats.org/topic/26401-pri...-the-anti-corruption/page__st__60#entry210841

Sorry guys, only the Pro spend money on trolls in internet because they don t look for votes, they just conspire. So, even people without voting rights are useful.

The official government (not only this one) uses the social assistance for getting votes.

However, the article was interesting because it evidence the hipocrecy of politicians like Carrio (the queen of the corruption complaints) who got less than 3% of the votes. I remind you that she was government with De La Rua. Now she barely got the votes to keep the party open. This is justice.

Democracy.
That's why now they changed the strategy and pay trolls on the internet to organice an insurrection.
They want to repeat the "success of the Revolucion Libertadora", the insurrection that coup Peron were a small group ultra violent successfully coupt Peron who was invincible at elections.
Here is an article about how behind all the hate there is a coup thinking.
http://veintitres.in...pana-sucia.html

Don Alberto first tried to confuse you asserting that the debt was created by Alfonsin, not Videla.

This is not casual.

Alfonsin didn t recognize the debt taken by Videla.

If we talk about debt, Macri is taking loans but the money is partially used. Where are the 10 km subway per year???
Seems that he is using this loans he takes on the city to finance his campaign for presidency. To pay professional bloggers on Fb and forums is part of his campaign.

So, yes, it is relevant because to hide that he is local afects his credibility.

http://baexpats.org/topic/26401-pri...-the-anti-corruption/page__st__90#entry211157

Please show evidence of trolls on the internet being paid to organize an insurrection.

http://baexpats.org/topic/26401-pri...-the-anti-corruption/page__st__90#entry211263

I did say "please." But you certainly don't need to do anything on my behalf. However, we are now wondering how much of what you say on this forum you just pull out of your ass.

Still waiting for evidence of the paid trolls.