Lack Of Wheat?

http://www.elobservador.com.uy/noticia/255085/denuncian-contrabando-de-trigo-uruguayo-hacia--argentina/

Seems someone in the government may be importing wheat from Uruguay at a nice profit for themselves.... :eek: I'm shocked i tell you SHOCKED! :lol:
 
Then open up the markets so they have to compete and can't control the price within the country. Where are all the Uruguayan tomatoes, Brazilian tomatoes etc etc... I thought mercosur was supposed to "promote free trade and the fluid movement of goods, people, and currency"

Right, but how do you pay them? Pesos? I don t think that they are going to accept pesos. It is all about that.

So Facism is something you support? Why would facsim work here when it has never worked anywhere else in the world?

Well, fascims worked out for about 20 years in Italy until Mussolini made the mistake of getting into WWII. Franco was smarted and Spain in the 80´s left it.

I don t support fascism. I just describe Argentina without valuate it. I didn't say it works out, I assert that it is the way things are. Remember that those italians who were super fascist, when the Allies won, they escaped to Argentina where there was a President who copied the Italian Fascism: Peron.

It is important to understand that Argentina is a country with a political and social system that are fascist because then everything makes sense. In a fascist country there is no free market, prices are agreed between the government and producers. But what happends here is that producers rebeled and they want to charge even more than in NYC for low quality food (because the good one is exported).

But the problem, I think, is not the government, it is the people who has a way to think that is fascist. If you apply "solutions" that works out in countries that are not fascist, here they are going to be a disaster. Take a look to what happend with the tomato crisis on 2007. Farmers rised the price from 4 pesos to 14 just like that. It weren t argentines who put them in place, where the chinese supermarkets. My wife is from Korea and she is very surprised that people don t complain and rebel to the raise of prices like it happens in Korea.

I give you another example. When you have a monopoly of food like here, if you don t have a State strong, there are huge abuses from farmers like the one we are seeing right now with wheat or tomatoes. So, to reduce the State, normally recomended in this forums, it is a disaster like what happends in 2001 because the farmers then replace the State and they like more monarchy than democracy. This is what happends so many times during the 20th century.

Montoneros during the 70´s had very clear this problems and that´s why they saw the unions (of workers and farmers) as the enemies (they decided for violence as a political tool, I disagree about that).
This administration has the montoneros philosophy, that is why they are taking weird mesures (for international standards) according to the problems that this country has, because let s be realistic, there are no many other fascist countries in the world right now to compare with if the desicions taken are good or wrong. But there is something I m sure, to mesure the desicions using basic concepts of free market is a huge unnacuracy.
 
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Look, I think your posts in this thread are interesting, especially the part about tomatoes here, and there are certainly always some things I can agree with... but the bottom line of your posts is that you always blame everyone and everything but the government, while people are trying to tell you that the incompetetent, corrupt and authoritarian government (and political culture) here is the source of these problems and all your other arguments in previous topics.

We cannot tolerate big government if all the government is interested in are self-enrichment, bullying its foes, extortion, nepotism, laziness and general abuse of authority. A regime is reflected in the society and nothing will work if those in power do not set a good example for corporations or individuals either. My dear mr. Rubilar, you are clearly intelligent but please try to escape your cave of Peronist indoctrination just for once and learn to be critical of everything, not just the easy targets. The problem of the country is a long term issue with governance, all you are doing is treating symptoms, but hey, many Argentines are like you.
 
But the problem, I think, is not the government


Bajo, I was (finally!) agreeing with you and then I got to the above.

I'm not sure why you think the government is not at fault. Are they totally to blame? No, of course not. The problem is that corruption and "screw everyone else I'll get what I can get while I can get it" is the entire system in Argentina. This includes the President right down to you and I. I submit that it is practically impossible to escape it.

Since I knew nothing of the Peronists I did some research. Reading the description of the three pillars of Peronism I was frankly impressed. Social Justice, Economic Independence, and Political Sovereignty are all things that I very much support. However, I don't see Systemic Corruption as one of the pillars yet it is one of the most obvious characteristics of this system.

Until someone is elected President who is savvy enough to build a real consensus and is brave enough to set the example of "The People First" and bring the "Me First" mentality to a halt and have the Rule of Law apply to everyone equally, Argentina will always be what it is now - a wonderful country with great potential.

That person will be the true Patriot of Argentina!
 
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Bajo, I was (finally!) agreeing with you and then I got to the above.

I'm not sure why you think the government is not at fault. Are they totally to blame? No, of course not. The problem is that corruption and "screw everyone else I'll get what I can get while I can get it" is the entire system in Argentina. This includes the President right down to you and I. I submit that it is practically impossible to escape it.

Since I knew nothing of the Peronists I did some research. Reading the description of the three pillars of Peronism I was frankly impressed. Social Justice, Economic Independence, and Political Sovereignty are all things that I very much support. However, I don't see Systemic Corruption as one of the pillars yet it is one of the most obvious characteristics of this system.

Until someone is elected President who is savvy enough to build a real consensus and is brave enough to set the example of "The People First" and bring the "Me First" mentality to a halt and have the Rule of Law apply to everyone equally, Argentina will always be what it is now - a wonderful country with great potential.

That person will be the true Patriot of Argentina!
Sometimes I think they should install you as an enlightened dictator. You have surely got the balls to lead this country into the right direction.
 
Look, I think your posts in this thread are interesting, especially the part about tomatoes here, and there are certainly always some things I can agree with... but the bottom line of your posts is that you always blame everyone and everything but the government, while people are trying to tell you that the incompetetent, corrupt and authoritarian government (and political culture) here is the source of these problems and all your other arguments in previous topics.

Well, I just show you that sometimes it is not that simplistic.

We cannot tolerate big government if all the government is interested in are self-enrichment, bullying its foes, extortion, nepotism, laziness and general abuse of authority. A regime is reflected in the society and nothing will work if those in power do not set a good example for corporations or individuals either.

Well, "small governments" are the same, the only difference is that you change political corruption for private corruption, the US is a good example of who does it works. Bribes are legal among other things. Maddoff sounds familiar? What about Enron? Big or small are not synonym of a good government.

My dear mr. Rubilar, you are clearly intelligent but please try to escape your cave of Peronist indoctrination just for once and learn to be critical of everything, not just the easy targets. The problem of the country is a long term issue with governance, all you are doing is treating symptoms, but hey, many Argentines are like you.

Problems with governance, interesting, do you know why?
 
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