Looking For A Flat To Buy

to start with
if you buy a car you go with a mechanic to have a prof opinion, Am I rigth?
to buy a property someones encourage you to go directly to the owner.
What do you know about, certificados? titulos de propiedad? inhibiciones? planos? autorizaciones de ventas? etc?
so get a prof if possible.
Is better to pay someone for it, and not having a major problem later with large amounts of money.
and by the way, in my opinion the real estate market isnt paralized, but slow.
Prices are NOT coming down, cause dollar rises and no one wants the peso in their poquets any more
If you want to buy the moment is rigth now. ( trust me)
if you pay cash,try to pull down the price 8%,
regards
Fredd

I have enough friends who have been seriously screwed on their investments because 1) they didn't know the above and 2) thought that what they knew was sufficient. I could almost retire just on the amount of money they've cumulatively lost. On the other hand, got lots of friends who either 1) knew the above, and or 2) hired a professional. They all wished they had purchased more property.
 
"Prices are not coming down, believe me"

I heard the same thing in the US and Spain... and Japan.

Prices here are now like US prices, except people make a much lower salary.

Prices are coming down, Believe me!
 
What do you know about, certificados? titulos de propiedad? inhibiciones? planos? autorizaciones de ventas? etc?
so get a prof if possible.
Is better to pay someone for it, and not having a major problem later with large amounts of money.

All of these questions are the responsibility of the escribano (who will charge 2%), not the real estate agent (who would charge 4%).


Be sure you use an escribano with a stellar reputation and never use an escribano recommended by the seller.

If you don't speak castellano very well, find an escribano who speaks English.

Mine not only speaks English, he is also a US citizen.
 
My opinion is that prices will come down, but not so much as some people expect. Unless we have another 2001 (or 1989) when prices fall down like 70%, which is not probably to happen, prices will fell down when the recession cycle begins (we cant continue growing for more that 10 years, we re now in the limit and I predict recession in short term) and in that moment, without the inflation we have today, without the dollar fever we have today, without the construction boom we have unstoppably from 2003, as I said, prices will be more closer to its historics.
 
Why not buy in la Patagonia? With how Lázaro Baez, the Ks etc are hiding their money in estancias and other properties in that region, while this government is in power there is certainly going to be continued demand down there & plenty of ca$h to facilitate it :p
 
My opinion is that prices will come down, but not so much as some people expect. Unless we have another 2001 (or 1989) when prices fall down like 70%, which is not probably to happen, prices will fell down when the recession cycle begins (we cant continue growing for more that 10 years, we re now in the limit and I predict recession in short term) and in that moment, without the inflation we have today, without the dollar fever we have today, without the construction boom we have unstoppably from 2003, as I said, prices will be more closer to its historics.

Short term recession eh? God loves an optimist!

Please use the term 'soft landing' next time, it'll make me all nostalgic for home !
 
I'm still looking, so many flats/estudios/lofts on sale! But none I like so far. I'm not looking for a Ikea-furnished place to buy, I know there's no Ikea here but 99,9% of the places I've been seeing are so ugly inside, so many bathrooms and kitchens with these awful light blue or rose walls, nice in the '70 but not now. And the worst is the bla bla talk of Argentinean sellers, pretending (euh? that seems to be very common here) they're selling something great!
Besides, I've increased the scope of the areas: Palermo Soho, Recoleta, Barracas (around Lezama), San Telmo, CAballito (around parque Rivadavia), around parque Centenario. Max price 120.000 dollars.
 
I'm still looking, so many flats/estudios/lofts on sale! But none I like so far. I'm not looking for a Ikea-furnished place to buy, I know there's no Ikea here but 99,9% of the places I've been seeing are so ugly inside, so many bathrooms and kitchens with these awful light blue or rose walls, nice in the '70 but not now. And the worst is the bla bla talk of Argentinean sellers, pretending (euh? that seems to be very common here) they're selling something great!
Besides, I've increased the scope of the areas: Palermo Soho, Recoleta, Barracas (around Lezama), San Telmo, CAballito (around parque Rivadavia), around parque Centenario. Max price 120.000 dollars.
Mariano:

To find my apartment, I literally probably looked at about 150 different places. Finally I settled on getting something a estrenar that was finished being built in order to get it a bit cheaper, and stayed in a temporary apartment while it was being finished. This is risky, but in my case it worked out okay.

It takes extreme patience to find a good place because every place is in terrible condition. Most people won't sell the newer places, and they don't pay for the upkeep on the older places and let them get run down. You really have to dig around, and there is something you are just going to have to sacrifice. If you buy a place that is brand new and ready to move in, it will be more expensive. The worst part is that sales are really very slow right now, and most people are not putting their properties on the market for fear of the AFIP getting their information and then digging into their history. If the AFIP gets a hold of you, most of the time it does not matter if you have all your ducks in a row. You are probably screwed regardless. They'll find something. That is why so few are actually selling.

The key here is patience. Keep looking and looking until you find the right place that you are happy with. Remember that if it's just furniture and paint, then those are superficial and can easily be fixed. The most important factors are access to light in the apartment and the layout of the apartment walls, all things which you cannot modify. You may not want to mess with renovations, but if you can put that on the table at least somewhat, it greatly expands your options.

Be careful also with the state of the building the apartment is in. If a place has high expensas due to bad management, think twice. Ask the Portero about the state of the building and if anything needs fixing.

To buy, the real estate agents are really superfluous and try to avoid dealing with them if you can. Good escribano is a must. You can't trust a single Real Estate business in this country--they will screw you royally if it's possible.

I don't think the properties are going to come down here unless disaster strikes hard. 2001 was a historical low that probably will not occur again. They might go down a bit, but I highly doubt it. Property will always, for the most part, in Argentina be a decent investment. Over the long haul, 10, 15, 20 years, properties in Argentina have always been worth more than they were before, even if you factor in 2001.
 
All of these questions are the responsibility of the escribano (who will charge 2%), not the real estate agent (who would charge 4%).


Be sure you use an escribano with a stellar reputation and never use an escribano recommended by the seller.

If you don't speak castellano very well, find an escribano who speaks English.

Mine not only speaks English, he is also a US citizen.

And on top of it you would still have to pay the escribano the 2%. So you would pay 4% to the inmobiliaria to put a sign on your apartment and publish it online and in the newspapers (if they even do that). They also show your apartment and give people bad information about it (sometimes they show, sometimes they don't show up). Then they make things more complicated by making the buying process longer as the buyer has to put down 30% and then the rest later. I bought once with a good escribano dueno directo and I got a place bought and paperwork done in all of 3 weeks, paid the seller 100% and the place was mine. Never use an inmobiliaria again and never buy with them in the middle again. What a crock.
 
Are you still looking to buy ? A friend of mine has a brand new apartment to sell but it will only be ready in 3 months (It's a 1 bedroom apt). In case you're able to wait that long, send me a personal mail and I'll fwd you all the details.
 
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