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Hay plata, pero no para universidades: gastos que suben y privilegiados con menos impuestos​


 
The universities would do well to start charging foreign students tuition. Foreign students study for free on the backs of the Argentine taxpayer, many of them, perhaps even most, return to their country shortly afterwards to work there without contributing a dime to the country that educated them.
 
The universities would do well to start charging foreign students tuition. Foreign students study for free on the backs of the Argentine taxpayer, many of them, perhaps even most, return to their country shortly afterwards to work there without contributing a dime to the country that educated them.
I agree. That is a policy I agree with.

But the bigger picture is the fact that Milei is starving Argentina's public universities of funding, as a run-around to the constitutional right to free public education, including university-level education. According to him, a public university education brain washes you into becoming a Marxist. LOL.

I love the recent photo of Trump and Elon with Xi Jingping. In the photo, they appear as if they are great proponents of communism estilo chino. Talk about brain washing. I guess Milei will be comfortable making the same pose soon.

Every mileista says charge foreign students tuition, as if that is the miracle to get around the constitutional right. They are dead wrong.

Again, I agree, foreign students should be charged tuition.
 
I agree. That is a policy I agree with.

But the bigger picture is the fact that Milei is starving Argentina's public universities of funding, as a run-around to the constitutional right to free public education, including university-level education. According to him, a public university education brain washes you into becoming a Marxist. LOL.

I love the recent photo of Trump and Elon with Xi Jingping. In the photo, they appear as if they are great proponents of communism estilo chino. Talk about brain washing. I guess Milei will be comfortable making the same pose soon.

Every mileista says charge foreign students tuition, as if that is the miracle to get around the constitutional right. They are dead wrong.

Again, I agree, foreign students should be charged tuition.
Aren't most foreign students from Mercosur countries? I thought it was trivial for them to become residents. Or would you make it free only for citizens?
I personally don't think the free universities are the cause of the failed economy, but on Reddit there was a spate of anti-university posts around the time of the protests.. I doubt they were organic.
 

Mientras se desploman los restaurantes típicos a los que concurría la clase media, al tiempo que la cocina premium gana estrellas Michelin y se concretan emprendimientos gastronómicos millonarios, hay un rubro –que no tiene salón ni mozos y no supera los 40 metros cuadrados– que creció en medio de la crisis socioeconómica. Son los locales low cost —pizza al corte, empanadas, hamburguesas—. En los últimos dos años se multiplicaron en todos los centros urbanos del país a un ritmo que el sector formal llama “refugio de emprendedores”.

Google Translation:
While traditional restaurants frequented by the middle class are collapsing, and premium cuisine is gaining Michelin stars and multi-million dollar gastronomic ventures are being launched, there's a sector—one without a dining room or waiters and no larger than 40 square meters—that has grown amidst the socioeconomic crisis. These are low-cost establishments—pizza by the slice, empanadas, hamburgers. In the last two years, they have multiplied in every urban center in the country at a rate that the formal sector calls a "refuge for entrepreneurs."
 
Aren't most foreign students from Mercosur countries? I thought it was trivial for them to become residents. Or would you make it free only for citizens?
I personally don't think the free universities are the cause of the failed economy, but on Reddit there was a spate of anti-university posts around the time of the protests.. I doubt they were organic.
I think its pretty easy for them to get a temporary residency at first, and then after 2 years they can apply for permanent residency.
It is just another stream for temporary residents.
I think the free university is limited to permanent residents and citizens.

Universities have two typically considered primary purposes, 1) delivering post-secondary education, not just limited to job training, and 2) act as a research hub. Secondary purposes may include 3) landlord (in many areas they own a lot of land and buildings), 4) investing to generate funds to support 1) and 2).

As far as I am aware, university is still free for permanent residents and citizens. While I don't like the idea of people being undervalued, I think some of the pay being reported is under reported in some forums because they leave out details of minimum pay vs per course (based on hours and level/tile). If they are below the minimum from the matrix then they are automatically getting the minimum which is higher than what people refer to. Or, professors/instructors/teaching assistants then need to strike. Simply stop offering their services and force the government to improve the conditions otherwise it is what it is. There have been university strikes for professors and teaching staff before. A single protest in the street doesn't really do anything. And by the looks of it, the number of people in the street seems to be getting much much smaller every time, suggesting the protest is losing support. Teaching Assistants in north america is supplementa income for a graduate student it isn't the basis of their livelihood. Professors get their salary, but they also need to produce papers etc. In many fields their work can be sponsored by industry, consortiums, foudnations, etc and they need to seek out the funding, apply and get awarded, it isn't just automatic. Many also offer consulting services, both individually or together with other professors.


Mientras se desploman los restaurantes típicos a los que concurría la clase media, al tiempo que la cocina premium gana estrellas Michelin y se concretan emprendimientos gastronómicos millonarios, hay un rubro –que no tiene salón ni mozos y no supera los 40 metros cuadrados– que creció en medio de la crisis socioeconómica. Son los locales low cost —pizza al corte, empanadas, hamburguesas—. En los últimos dos años se multiplicaron en todos los centros urbanos del país a un ritmo que el sector formal llama “refugio de emprendedores”.

Google Translation:
While traditional restaurants frequented by the middle class are collapsing, and premium cuisine is gaining Michelin stars and multi-million dollar gastronomic ventures are being launched, there's a sector—one without a dining room or waiters and no larger than 40 square meters—that has grown amidst the socioeconomic crisis. These are low-cost establishments—pizza by the slice, empanadas, hamburgers. In the last two years, they have multiplied in every urban center in the country at a rate that the formal sector calls a "refuge for entrepreneurs."
Personally, I think that its great and more common around the world. It is a great example of the market doing its thing and finding opportunities and growing and I am proud of you for sharing it. I am a single guy. If I am walking around the city, sometimes I just want a slice not a whole pie. Slices should be more available. There should be more options to eat than just empanadas or kiosco food/alfajors/etc. Here you also have kioscos offering sandwiches and panchos etc. In Canada and some other countries that isn't the case in all corner stores, more just limited to 7-11s and Circle K/Mac's, but you end up with hot dog vendors etc on the street or food trucks.

Everywhere around the world restaurants are closing. This is evident in North America. Between higher rents, labour, food costs, and also tipping getting out of control putting pressure on people now, many are just not making it. Especially old famous or the neighbourhood institution restaurants. When the lease comes up they decide its not worth it or the family/generation that owns it doesn't have someone else that really wants to do the work involved in running a restauarant, or they can sell the real estate for a lot more. This isn't an Argentina only phenomenom.

The high end restauarants will continue to make, they usually always do. The wealthy continue to spend, and some restauarants get their Michelin star and that makes it attractive. Middle class may splurge once a year for something, international travellers will go since its a one off experience on a vacation etc. Some people base trips around Michelin restaurants while others base it around sports, concerts etc.
 
I think its pretty easy for them to get a temporary residency at first, and then after 2 years they can apply for permanent residency.
It is just another stream for temporary residents.
I think the free university is limited to permanent residents and citizens.

Universities have two typically considered primary purposes, 1) delivering post-secondary education, not just limited to job training, and 2) act as a research hub. Secondary purposes may include 3) landlord (in many areas they own a lot of land and buildings), 4) investing to generate funds to support 1) and 2).

As far as I am aware, university is still free for permanent residents and citizens. While I don't like the idea of people being undervalued, I think some of the pay being reported is under reported in some forums because they leave out details of minimum pay vs per course (based on hours and level/tile). If they are below the minimum from the matrix then they are automatically getting the minimum which is higher than what people refer to. Or, professors/instructors/teaching assistants then need to strike. Simply stop offering their services and force the government to improve the conditions otherwise it is what it is. There have been university strikes for professors and teaching staff before. A single protest in the street doesn't really do anything. And by the looks of it, the number of people in the street seems to be getting much much smaller every time, suggesting the protest is losing support. Teaching Assistants in north america is supplementa income for a graduate student it isn't the basis of their livelihood. Professors get their salary, but they also need to produce papers etc. In many fields their work can be sponsored by industry, consortiums, foudnations, etc and they need to seek out the funding, apply and get awarded, it isn't just automatic. Many also offer consulting services, both individually or together with other professors.


Personally, I think that its great and more common around the world. It is a great example of the market doing its thing and finding opportunities and growing and I am proud of you for sharing it. I am a single guy. If I am walking around the city, sometimes I just want a slice not a whole pie. Slices should be more available. There should be more options to eat than just empanadas or kiosco food/alfajors/etc. Here you also have kioscos offering sandwiches and panchos etc. In Canada and some other countries that isn't the case in all corner stores, more just limited to 7-11s and Circle K/Mac's, but you end up with hot dog vendors etc on the street or food trucks.

Everywhere around the world restaurants are closing. This is evident in North America. Between higher rents, labour, food costs, and also tipping getting out of control putting pressure on people now, many are just not making it. Especially old famous or the neighbourhood institution restaurants. When the lease comes up they decide its not worth it or the family/generation that owns it doesn't have someone else that really wants to do the work involved in running a restauarant, or they can sell the real estate for a lot more. This isn't an Argentina only phenomenom.

The high end restauarants will continue to make, they usually always do. The wealthy continue to spend, and some restauarants get their Michelin star and that makes it attractive. Middle class may splurge once a year for something, international travellers will go since its a one off experience on a vacation etc. Some people base trips around Michelin restaurants while others base it around sports, concerts etc.
You say a lot for saying nothing while also totally ignoring the heart of the issue - austerity. Have really never read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine? Might be a breath of fresh air for you.
 
You say a lot for saying nothing while also totally ignoring the heart of the issue - austerity. Have really never read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine? Might be a breath of fresh air for you.
I have responded to points, and asked questions.
1) Students university is still free to citizens and perm residents.
2) Instructors and profs are getting paid. regardless whether I think its fair pay or not, they haven't exercised a right to strike or stop rendering services.

Austerity will have impacts. That is what the country voted for. You seem to want to override the will of the people.

You keep bringing up this book and her philosophy, I have already responded in 2 posts to it.
Continually repeating something, and on a superficial level doesn't make it true. You have not countered my point, which was really one of her points or at least a risk she raised.

You are not trying to debate in good faith.
 
I think its pretty easy for them to get a temporary residency at first, and then after 2 years they can apply for permanent residency.
It is just another stream for temporary residents.
I think the free university is limited to permanent residents and citizens.

Universities have two typically considered primary purposes, 1) delivering post-secondary education, not just limited to job training, and 2) act as a research hub. Secondary purposes may include 3) landlord (in many areas they own a lot of land and buildings), 4) investing to generate funds to support 1) and 2).

As far as I am aware, university is still free for permanent residents and citizens. While I don't like the idea of people being undervalued, I think some of the pay being reported is under reported in some forums because they leave out details of minimum pay vs per course (based on hours and level/tile). If they are below the minimum from the matrix then they are automatically getting the minimum which is higher than what people refer to. Or, professors/instructors/teaching assistants then need to strike. Simply stop offering their services and force the government to improve the conditions otherwise it is what it is. There have been university strikes for professors and teaching staff before. A single protest in the street doesn't really do anything. And by the looks of it, the number of people in the street seems to be getting much much smaller every time, suggesting the protest is losing support. Teaching Assistants in north america is supplementa income for a graduate student it isn't the basis of their livelihood. Professors get their salary, but they also need to produce papers etc. In many fields their work can be sponsored by industry, consortiums, foudnations, etc and they need to seek out the funding, apply and get awarded, it isn't just automatic. Many also offer consulting services, both individually or together with other professors.


Personally, I think that its great and more common around the world. It is a great example of the market doing its thing and finding opportunities and growing and I am proud of you for sharing it. I am a single guy. If I am walking around the city, sometimes I just want a slice not a whole pie. Slices should be more available. There should be more options to eat than just empanadas or kiosco food/alfajors/etc. Here you also have kioscos offering sandwiches and panchos etc. In Canada and some other countries that isn't the case in all corner stores, more just limited to 7-11s and Circle K/Mac's, but you end up with hot dog vendors etc on the street or food trucks.

Everywhere around the world restaurants are closing. This is evident in North America. Between higher rents, labour, food costs, and also tipping getting out of control putting pressure on people now, many are just not making it. Especially old famous or the neighbourhood institution restaurants. When the lease comes up they decide its not worth it or the family/generation that owns it doesn't have someone else that really wants to do the work involved in running a restauarant, or they can sell the real estate for a lot more. This isn't an Argentina only phenomenom.

The high end restauarants will continue to make, they usually always do. The wealthy continue to spend, and some restauarants get their Michelin star and that makes it attractive. Middle class may splurge once a year for something, international travellers will go since its a one off experience on a vacation etc. Some people base trips around Michelin restaurants while others base it around sports, concerts etc.
I will say, that it seems capitalism writ large is sounding a lot more like what right wing leaders warned us socialism would be:"you'll own nothing and be happy." Under capitalism, spending power is being reserved for very few who go on to largely manipulate the markets and our lives. If the market was working, wages would rise to meet prices. But, capitalism desperately needs a permanent underclass to 'function.'

Before, those in power at least pretended that we all shared the same stakes, were privy to advancing. As you grow older you see that was a bit of a fib all along. No trickle down...just a slow ascent of my earnings on up toward the pockets of folks who've always had their hand firmly in the pot. Now, once-booming industries are also being consolidated under tech oligarchs...it doesn't shake out. The myth of working 'harder' and being a success is just that, a myth. How silly is it that from my hard labor, my boss gets wealthy and my earnings stay thin?

You have to have money to make money under these systems. "The Market," if it was true and real would be producing affordable housing, rich jobs with wages that met the moment. Instead, we're seeing all of the power/money tightly wound up and sorted between influential stewards of hypocrisy...in such an astounding way it's frightening. Monopolies, insider trading, corporate bail outs....to the same people who whinge about the welfare state.

Don't get me wrong, socialism has its own demons to contend with (mostly, folks who join the movement and siphon off funds meant to aid in our polite society and broader equality—there's grift everyplace). That leaves the ultra wealthy, to take money from other wealthy folks and just keep handing it around to the same accounts until there are actual trillionaires in existence and a growing number of people on the street. Like, sure...I like that I can more readily find a slice of pizza, but I'd also like to still be able to afford a Michelin star meal a few times a year, feel as though I won't have to work until I'm dead just to eek by. The rich gatekeeping life, and ensuring so few of us are allowed into the upper echelons, is a sickness that should be studied, surely.

As for austerity, why isn't it applied to those in government? And, when there is a surplus of cash...will that go back into the country (re: hospitals, education, public services for all) or be diverted to fund pet projects...like buying jet planes?
 
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