Macri: Huge Tax Increases? "insensitive Capitalism"

[thorsten]

 

[RodalfoWalsh]

Wrong. It comes, simply and plainly, from his people, from the people that surround him. His "team" as he calls it, is entirely and 100% from Cavallo's team: Sturzenegger, Melconian, Broda, Espert, etc, etc, etc, etc, they are all for the free market (even in other charges as education). They in fact worked for the Minister of Economy that was the main risponsable of 2001 crisis.

Superstition, pse...

This like the 10th time you've called espert one of
Marci's team or an advisor.

ITs still not true.

http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201507/114387-elecciones-2015-jose-luis-espert--pro-mauricio-macri.html

 

[ben]

Matias. Why don't you respond to my more substantive post? You know, the one regarding your ridiculous assertions regarding debate tactics and honesty.

To be clear, I am not saying that Macri is not a liar and a cheat. Time will tell. But the YouTube link you posted reflects about as much on Macri's honesty as it does on yours.

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As regards your post:

1) I am not saying that the US never interfered with Argentine affairs. Then again, back then Argentina mattered more.
It matters less now; that's exactly the point I was making.
2) I did not say that other countries are irrelevant to the US. I said that Argentina is less relevant today, to anyone.

 

[nicoenarg]

No Sturznegger is not Macri, but he is from the same party, and the rhetoric and tactic discussed and deployed in the video is very similar to that of Macri in the last debate.

Regardless, the point Sturznegger made in the video, far from dishonest, is correct: a debate is simply a poor forum to go into detail regarding the tough parts of one's platform, particularly so with a populace utterly unaccustomed to the format. Not going into the nitty-gritty of your policy at a debate where you get 2 minutes to speak is hardly grounds for accusations of lying.

Meanwhile, everything Sturznegger said about inflation at the debate was, as a matter of fact, correct and true. The government has presided over approximately 500% inflation over the past 6 years, has rarely if ever acknowledged this, and now uses the bogeyman of Macri's acknowledgement of the same as if Macri is devaluing - the height of hypocrisy. On the other hand...

While it's fairly obvious why it was smart for Macri not to go into details (see above), it's equally obvious that Scioli, being present, if he wanted, could have gone on the attack on this point himself. That's kinda the point of a debate, isn't it?

If Scioli felt that Macri was being disingenuous, and was willing to go for a debate rather than repeat one track in continuous play, he could have asked directly, "How do you plan to combat inflation without tightening the money supply, and bringing about the ajuste that you claim you will not introduce?" And we could then judge for ourselves if Macri's response was convincing or not. Scioli would then also be on record as defending his predecessor's record of generating inflation.

Rather than do any of that, he preferred hurling one-word bogeyman accusations at Macri. And then you have the nerve to talk about Macri's dishonesty?!

What is it about the K government that makes people lose their minds?

I agree with you but my post was totally sarcastic and not meant to be taken seriously because let's face it, arguing with Matias is like having a debate with a tape recorder...I'd much rather watch paint dry.

 

[nicoenarg]

Macri, the Serpent King, is so evil that he even forced poor little knight of ours, Scioli, to support the privatization of YPF back in the day:

http://www.perfil.com/mobile/?nota=/contenidos/2015/11/17/noticia_0003.html

Speaking of the 90s did I tell you guys that Torre Neoliberal will have 90 floors to forever commemorate the good old days?

Also the calendar of the Serpent is going to be used after December 10th which will start with the year 1990 and end with 1999, and just go in circles.

These aluminum foil hats are a little itchy...

 

[ElQueso]

I was just reading this in La Nacion: http://www.lanacion....tro-de-economia

Ante una consulta sobre la inflación, respondió: "No tengas dudas de que para mí, gobernar es decir la verdad. En el Indec, desde el primer día vamos a nombrar a una persona respetada y reponer los técnicos capaces que tenía el Indec y me voy a enterar al mismo tiempo que los ciudadanos. Si no decimos la verdad no se establece la confianza", dijo.

E insistió: "Mi compromiso es bajar la inflación. Tenemos que tener como meta en dos años llegar a un solo dígito. Tenemos que tener una moneda fuerte para tener un Estado fuerte que equilibre el mercado. Esperamos haber bajado la inflación para el año que viene pero estamos a ciegas. No sabemos cuántas reservas hay, cuánto vale el dólar, por qué imprimieron esa cantidad de dinero. El objetivo es, en dos escalones, tratar de llegar a un dígito", agregó.

Macri isn't naming his finance minister ostensibly because he doesn't know yet, but I imagine it will be someone that may unsettle some people and he doesn't want to affect the runoff with naming the person now. But notice he's already preparing people (who read and listen to his words, that is) that he doesn't even really know what to do yet until he gets someone in INDEC to tell the truth about the real state of things, as well as finding out about the real state of reserves, etc. "I'm going to find out at the same time as the citizens".

He doesn't seem to think that Cavallo's ideas are pertinent (unless he's lying), discarding them in the same sentence as he does Kicillof's ideas.

Meanwhile, Duhalde is voting for Scioli because Scioli's not Cristina: http://www.lanacion....istina-kirchner

And while Scioli states that he is the protector of the Argentine people, he who will protect the subsidies, he apparently would get a free gift from Cristina, as the government has cut subsidies for the year 2016: http://www.lanacion....idios-para-2016

Who's lying? Macri? Scioli? La Nacion? All of them?

Scioli is for the current system. And I don't mean Cristina's. I think he knows as well as everyone else that something has to change. But he also stands for the current system in its corruption, back-room dealings, cronyism and all that. I know Bajo and Counting Matias think that's exactly what Macri stands for, but a different set of cronies and for all I know they may be completely correct. But he's so much more believable than Scioli.

Yet I'm pretty sure Macri's not being completely open about things on his side because if he was, he'd probably not stand a chance.

But do the ends justify the means? This is where government really sucks to me. If you believe Macri and what he's had to say for the last ten years or so, a possible future with less corruption and transparency bringing real growth for at least most; at this point in Argentina's history, it seems as though this can only come about by not being so open about intentions, though hopefully corruption isn't involved. A little bit of fibbing or hiding to get in and then do what's necessary.

Still, it's hard to justify an end reached via bad means. After all, I'm sure that many of Cristina's minions feel justified in using whatever means they can find to reach their ends, and they may be quite sincere (some of them at least) about wanting to do good for all, but in my opinion are simply misinformed on reality. And then they think the same thing about "the other side".

With government being a "necessary evil", I feel it's more the degree and intent of the deception, maybe, that counts.

Is it power itself that corrupts, or is it the seeking of power which does so? Government is all about the lesser evil, and that's a pretty subjective concept.

Anyway, it's all interesting. I find myself nearly transfixed (in both senses of the word) at times recently

 

[nicoenarg]

Oh snap!

https://www.youtube....h?v=BGTEokbsqos

oh no:

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

The bell you hear in this video is Matias's head about to explode:

https://www.youtube....h?v=PjkfSYTwYMs

PS: What happened to Scioli? He used to be able to carry a normal conversation.

 

[Gringoboy]

Bajo and Matias make a lovely couple.

 

[Gringoboy]

Of course we'll always have this:
http://youtu.be/XF5f8e76p-E

 

[RodalfoWalsh]

LOL @39 seconds did you catch the exp<b></b>ression on Boudou's face?