Malvinas Spat ( United Kindgom beating war drums )
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I couldn't resist pasting Chavez comments. 
Yeah it was obvious.
More important is Brazil and Chile backing Argentina's cause. If Latin America can present a united front on this issue, and China and Russia back Argentina too (I'm sure they will), little old Britain will have no choice but to open serious negotiations.
Yeah it was obvious.More important is Brazil and Chile backing Argentina's cause. If Latin America can present a united front on this issue, and China and Russia back Argentina too (I'm sure they will), little old Britain will have no choice but to open serious negotiations.
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I wonder how they ever get started if there is no coorperation from Argentina and a Latin America that will take sides with Argentina(Chile)
I am no specialist on the subject but it seems to me it will be extremly dificult to transport the oil and gas without the help of Argentina and to give the workers time off, it seems to me they wont be interested in long term stays at the Falklands
I am no specialist on the subject but it seems to me it will be extremly dificult to transport the oil and gas without the help of Argentina and to give the workers time off, it seems to me they wont be interested in long term stays at the Falklands
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oil workers have been going to razor-wired compounds in saudi arabia for years....do 3-6 months, bank the money and go home. I'm sure not being able to come and sample the delights of Recoleta will have approximately 0.0% influence on their decision to come and work in the newly constructed oil terminals in the falklands.
Why would argentina be needed for transportation. They'd build a new terminal (investment, jobs, etc) and bring the tankers right there.
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You can't work 3-6 months straight, so you probally need to have some fun in your time off. Falklands is not really the fun capital of the world. If Argentina stop Chile receiving planes from the Falklands they would also need to provide air travel back to the UK which would be pretty expensive as well
To transport the oil/gas from the Falklands to the UK you need many ships, again a lot more expensive then simply send it over to Argentina
To transport the oil/gas from the Falklands to the UK you need many ships, again a lot more expensive then simply send it over to Argentina
There are twice-weekly flights to the UK now. 17 hours. How do you think argentina would stop chile receiving flights?
I've known oil workers from saudi, jordan, libya, places like this. Really grim places where you're living on an expat compound for months at a time - because the money is fantastic. Basically, they suck it up and think of the money going into their accounts. Where they go on their few days off is not really a big concern. If it was, the UK is 17 hours away.
what oil refinery/tanker facilities does argentina have? I really don't see any need to include argentina in the process of shipping the oil back to the UK (or to markets). If there was a chance of that happening, the argentine government's new permit legislation has just put paid to it. The oil will be pumped ashore to the falklands and a new depot will be built to take tankers. That's normally what happens when oil is found.
I've known oil workers from saudi, jordan, libya, places like this. Really grim places where you're living on an expat compound for months at a time - because the money is fantastic. Basically, they suck it up and think of the money going into their accounts. Where they go on their few days off is not really a big concern. If it was, the UK is 17 hours away.
what oil refinery/tanker facilities does argentina have? I really don't see any need to include argentina in the process of shipping the oil back to the UK (or to markets). If there was a chance of that happening, the argentine government's new permit legislation has just put paid to it. The oil will be pumped ashore to the falklands and a new depot will be built to take tankers. That's normally what happens when oil is found.
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Stop pumping gas or pressure them with the onasur
Chile is going to say whatever Argentina wants regarding the Falklands
Argentina has refinery capacity and tanker facilities and also access to big markets like Brazil and Chile. The easiest and cheapest solution would be a joint venture with Argentina.
Falklands is not like other places with oil because it's so isolated
Chile is going to say whatever Argentina wants regarding the Falklands
Argentina has refinery capacity and tanker facilities and also access to big markets like Brazil and Chile. The easiest and cheapest solution would be a joint venture with Argentina.
Falklands is not like other places with oil because it's so isolated
It probably would be far cheaper to include argentina in it, but I think the UK is not too happy with argentina's attitude towards all of this (especially wanting to always talk about sovereignty) so I fully expect them to go solo with this and not include them in any way. Yes, it makes it more expensive, but once the depot is built (in a sparsely populated part, like in west falkland) it's done - then the difference between a tanker voyage to the UK from the falklands or from argentina is just a day or so.
it's all guessing now anyway...they haven't found anything yet
it's all guessing now anyway...they haven't found anything yet
Matt84, I didn't want to be rude, sorry about that.
Now, Viedma was founded in 1779 and is some 200 km south from Bahía Blanca. Argentina did indeed have a coastline just after independence. Your map is quite weird.
I would love it if a negotiated solution is found. One face-saving solution for both sides. Something like integrating the Malvinas as an Argentine province with great autonomy, letting them keep their language, property, culture, etc. (à la Catalunya). Even letting the UK keep the military base there, as a sort of 'monitor'. Oil and fishing revenues to be shared. Wouldn't it be great?
