Permanent Residency

[khairyexpat]

I'm sorry to hear that they changed the minimum pension amount for getting a visa... I wonder what this means for people that currently are here on that visa and are no longer eligible. Does this mean they have to find another way to stay, or can they continue because they were accepted under the original prerequisites?

Imagine dealing not at DNM level, but at FEDERAL & SUPREME COURTS level for 7/18 month, and then they change on you !!!!!!!!
How many 7/18 months I`ve got left to live !!!!!

 

[SarahAnn]

I agree with the suggestion of a topic dedicated to residency, it is a major issue and lots of people search for information, including on this site.
For those who are retired, there is a booklet called ´Informacion sobre radicacion por pensionado´ available at the Inmigraciones in Retiro. I didn´t ever find this on the internet (I found various info on the website, some of it conflicting).
In the booklet, it says what you need to do. I don´t want to type it all out here but if somone wants to know, you can give me a call anytime. As far as the apostillation (sp!) goes, it says in the booklet that you that all documentation made by an overseas authority must be stamped by the Argentine consular in the country and ´legalizada´by the Ministry of External Relations, International Trade and Culture. Or, if the country is a signatory to the Hague Convention, it should be apostillado at the Arg Consular in the country. I´m a bit fed up about this as I asked the Arg Embassy in Paris to apostillar a document for me (Certificado de antecedentes penales from the French Govt) and they told me that this was not necessary, no point going to see them. Well, next visit to Paris I will go to see them and will insist that they stamp the paperwork.
The booklet contains a list of the items that you need. I go it just last week, so I suppose it is up to date.
It doesn´t say anything about the minimum amount of pension that you have to receive (typical, they always save something for later...).

In fairness to Argentina, I can say that I was in the queue to emigrate from Australia to Canada for 4 years, while working for the Canadian government in Ottawa. After numerous to´s and fro´s and paying about $2000 I got fed up and moved on. My son´s girlfriend, from India, is having a terrific time trying to get permanent residence in Australia, despite having a PhD iin biotechnology from the ANU and very good career prospects.
Conclusion : migration, no matter where, is not quick or easy.
I hope that this might be useful to someone.
Cheers, Sarah

 

[khairyexpat]

booklet called ´Informacion sobre radicacion por pensionado´ available at the Inmigraciones in Retiro.

In the booklet, it says what you need to do. I don´t want to type it all out here but if somone wants to know, you can give me a call anytime. As far as the apostillation (sp!) goes, it says in the booklet that you that all documentation made by an overseas authority must be stamped by the Argentine consular in the country and ´legalizada´by the Ministry of External Relations, International Trade and Culture. Or, if the country is a signatory to the Hague Convention, it should be apostillado at the Arg Consular in the country.

Sarah: Good to know. Thanks for sharing. I am going to pick up this booklet.

Someone send me the requirements and it matches exactley your quote.

REQUISITO: La nota tiene que estar dirigida a La Direccción Nacional de Migraciones
[background=rgb(248, 248, 248)]*Constancia expedida por un gobierno u organismo internacional que certifique que usted recibe una pensión o jubilación, en forma regular y permanente, como así también el monto y duración de dicho beneficio.
A fin de acreditar los extremos deberá presentar documentación que avale el carácter de pensionado.
LA RESIDENCIA A OTORGAR SERÁ TEMPORARIA[/background]
[background=rgb(248, 248, 248)]IMPORTANTE:
• Toda documentación expedida en el extranjero deberá contar con la legalización del Consulado Argentino, sito en el país emisor del documento Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores Comercio Internacional y Culto, o Apostillada, si el país hubiera ratificado el Convenio de La Haya.[/background]

 

[khairyexpat]

I don't think there now is (or will be in the future) any problem for someone who spends 90 days in Argentina, gets an extension, leaves the country for a while (at least a couple weeks if not 30 days) and then returns. The problem is for those who are obviously living in Argentina more than six months per year and do not have temporary residency. There have been members who have posted about having multiple pages of stamps in their passports and haven't had a problem. Enforcement of the 2010 decree which gave immigration officials police powers has been minimal and may continue to be minimal for some time.

Hi Steve:
This sounds like a GREAT SOLUTION to my case (if I understood you correctly).

1. Leave Argentina for a month. (just only pay the fine. No other problems at airport????????)
2. Return. Get a new 90 days tourist .
3. On the 89th day of the above visa. Get a 90 days extension.
4- Repeat the above 3 steps once a year (once each 1 year minus 1 day to be exact).

Would that be legal ????????

Best Regards.

 

[steveinbsas]

Hi Steve:
This sounds like a GREAT SOLUTION to my case (if I understood you correctly).

1. Leave Argentina for a month. (just only pay the fine. No other problems at airport????????)
2. Return. Get a new 90 days tourist .
3. On the 89th day of the above visa. Get a 90 days extension.
4- Repeat the above 3 steps once a year (once each 1 year minus 1 day to be exact).

Would that be legal ????????

Best Regards.

I think it would be unwise.


Enforcement of the migraciones degrees against citizens of North America has been minimal in previous years but it's clearly increasing.

Even though you don't have a lot of stamps in your passport it will be obvious that you have been living in Argentina for a very long time without regularizing your status with migraciones.

I would not take the risk of leaving the country at this point if I were you. You may be a prime candidate to be labeled a pseudo-tourist and not be readmitted. I think your plan will produce that result, quite possibly the first time you try to reenter.

In my opinion, paying a lawyer to apply for citizenship is a much better idea than paying an Argentine woman to marry you in order to get permanent residency.

And you will spend less time in court for that than you would if/when you decide to get a divorce...and you won't have to pay a lawyer for the divorce proceedings, either.

On top of that, the time you will spend in court to get citizenship could be less time than you would spend just getting to and waiting at EZE just to leave the country.

 

[khairyexpat]

Thank you very much..

Seems that I forgot your previous advise to stay below the radar of DNM ( includind SALIDA del pais).
I already send Service Canada to get Apostilled letter of my pension.
And I will do the same for a new RCMP record. (I don`t want to risk using the old one of 2009).

 

[khairyexpat]

Thank you very much..

Seems that I forgot your previous advise to stay below the radar of DNM ( including SALIDA del pais).

My plan now is to get ready for 1 or 2 or 3 years long process:
1. I already sent Service Canada to get Apostilled letter of my pension.
2. I will do the same for a new Apostilled RCMP record. (I don`t want to risk using the old RCMP record I have of 2009).
3. When I have 1&2 ready then a lawyer can represent me to handle the citizenship court procedures.

Would that work ??

 

[syngirl]

Yes I looked around briefly to see how to contact Admin but couldn't find... but the existing categories for the forum are pretty useless -- Newcomers, Expat Life, Culture etc? Half the time I don't know where to post. Expat Life has a ridiculous amount of posts in it compared to other categories only because no one knows where to post. In fact a range of new categories -- even just a reordering of categories, ie food/drink is so far down the page I doubt it gets as many hits as it should -- i suspect most people looking for food items post in Expat Life. And Where to Find / Where to Buy should be a category unto itself. Some new forum categories could be:

Politics (with the way things are going here, there should be just a world politics forum, but also a local one)

Residency / Visas

Where to Buy / Where to Find

Restaurants, Bars, and Nightlife (rename Food and Drink to this -- people looking to BUY a particular food for home consumption would more likely post in a Where to Buy / Where to Find category if there were one)

 

[steveinbsas]

Thank you very much..

Seems that I forgot your previous advise to stay below the radar of DNM ( including SALIDA del pais).

My plan now is to get ready for 1 or 2 or 3 years long process:
1. I already sent Service Canada to get Apostilled letter of my pension.
2. I will do the same for a new Apostilled RCMP record. (I don`t want to risk using the old RCMP record I have of 2009).
3. When I have 1&2 ready then a lawyer can represent me to handle the citizenship court procedures.

Would that work ??

I think it's a good idea to get verification of your income to submit at the time you first apply for citizenship. It's on all of the lists of requisites I've seen.

I suggest you wait until your lawyer tells you to get the criminal report from the RCMP as the courts typically do not ask for a foreign report until near the end of the process.

In fact, I suggest you consult with a lawyer before you do anything else on your own.

 

[khairyexpat]

Steve:
So I just get the Apostilled certification of my pension. Nothing else !!!!!!!!
Then contact the lawyer.

RESIDENCY & VISAS is such a major major incredibly complicated issue. The baexpats forum is rich with tons of treasures & wealth of information about the topic (if you can find it). I really think it deserves a lot more attention. Needs to be categorized, classified, organized somehow, someway, someday. The more I dig, the more I realize it is still just the tip of the iceberg. Thanks a million baexpats team and contributers. I am sorry I missed finding baexpats 8.5 years earlier.