Phelps 18 gold - Argentina 17 gold

Holland after winning olympic gold at woman's waterpolo didn't make it to the Olympics because they lost to European champion Italy.

If Argentina can get 6 semi-decent Waterpolo players they will make it to the olympics, how is that for begin easy?
 
Cano - 22
Lauro - 6
Peralta - 82
Richeze - 110
Perez - 14 - Former Gold medal winner so cut him some slack
Molinaro - 8
Pareto - 5
Rosso/Surez - 4
Fernandez - 10
Cejas/Mayol - 17
Palermo - 21
Abalo/Best - 9
Kraljev/Rohner - 15
Reutemann - 11
Alsogaray - 11
Calabrese/ De la Fuente - 3 No idea why they didn't get a medal
Lopez Becker - 23
Caranza - 21
Monsgur/Sesto - 14
Tellechea - 38

And a bunch more who didn't even get a qualification

A total of 5 athletes who came close to a medal, what is the point of bringing 140 athletes when only a handfull have a chance to win a medal. Outside from teamsports, there are some medal-candidates there
 
El chabon said:
But basically, this comment shows you have absolutely no idea about what is required to achieve world class sporting performance:

Thanks for the good arguments about it and thanks for the insult.
Why, are you a world class athlete or been around world class athletes much?
 
scotttswan said:
Money does have a lot to do with it. Take Equestrian for example.... what sort of people get into that?

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People who love horses and work their asses off 365 days a year, 24 hours a day.
 
whatadahl said:
I've got to agree with this 110% regarding the U.S. I've ridden and shown my whole life, on a national and international level. By luck of the draw, my parents aren't billionaires and so working for all my trainers was the reality. What did that get me? A great appreciation for the sport, some awesome opportunities and a cold slap to the face when I aged out of the juniors and no one wanted an adult rider. While I still ride, $100,000k and up horses (or .5 mil and up for olympic level) just aren't a possibility. So yes, 99% of riders from the U.S. are loaded and the other 1% got a miracle sponsor behind them.

Now, the riders from South America are quite different. In the U.S. sponsors are a dime a dozen ONCE you've proven yourself at the top level. Companies fight to sponsor a good international rider. My boyfriend, who ironically goes to Argentina to buy his young jumpers at a fraction of the ones for sale in the U.S.) is Venezuelan-a country very much in support of it's riding team (at least in all ways but financially!) We've spoken to the federation about it as the bf is very well qualified (thankfully to a very generous sponsor!) and they will not consider a spot on the team without a huge "donation" by rider or sponsor. Payment to be on the Olympic team!?

As far as Argentina-an Argentinean rider here in the U.S. actually qualified the country as an individual-yet the federation's prez has a son who rides, ergo that is Argentina's representative. Not the guy who qualified the country, but the kid who had a connection. With corruption like that-can you blame talented athletes for being deterred from wanting to try to represent their country. Money rules 99%, corruption/name-dropping rules the rest.

I still have faith in the Olympics and love watching it. Hell, hopefully I'll be in Rio 2016 to watch Venezuela....if we can cough up enough $$ before then to pay off the federation.

Which discipline are you talking about? Argentina sent 2 riders to the Olympics in showjumping. (They didn't qualify a team). The first won the national championship - Alejandro Madorno with Milano de Flore and Jose Larocca who is based in Europe, represented Argentina at WEG, Pan-Ams, etc. What Argentine rider in the US would have qualified?

By the way - not disagreeing that money plays a huge factor in the sport but it's not the only factor. And it's much less a factor here in Argentina.
(Sorry for the hijack - just curious)
 
El chabon said:
How come Argentina can be succesfull at elite sports like Rugby, hockey, tennis and are not in different kind of sports?

Basketbal is probally a bit in between, but it's an indoorsport. Why can't they be succesfull at volleybal or handbal?

You just answered it for me when you say 'Elite' sports!

Generally Rugby players here play for private school and universities and come from a well off background. So even though the league is amateur they have plenty of family support financially. Then when they reach a top level they go to Europe, Australia etc. where they can earn 300,000 euros plus a year.

I am friends with a player for the Las Leonas, and even though most get little financial support from the government, a lot (not all) have decent famliy financial support behind them and of course personal sponsorhip.

So in these types of situations family background comes into play and they don't have to worry too much about finances and can focus on training etc.

With exceptional athletes aside, money has everything to do with olympic success!!
 
Definitely the riders who went were qualified to go, and as far as I know the presidents kid didn't end up going. I didn't mean to say that the guy was the only one to go, I meant individual as in not a team as you also pointed out. But Ramiro Quintana was qualified (at least to my knowledge!) and was booted out of his spot for another rider. He had qualified himself at either WEF of the GM American invitational (maybe the 2 together, not sure). And really, my information is what I get from the side up here, so it could be more convoluted than I thought, of course. But the bigger point being that at least in my experience with Venezuela and what I've war about the argentine federation, you can qualify yourself 100%, and never see another thing about it depending on who you are and what can be earned from your participation.

citygirl said:
Which discipline are you talking about? Argentina sent 2 riders to the Olympics in showjumping. (They didn't qualify a team). The first won the national championship - Alejandro Madorno with Milano de Flore and Jose Larocca who is based in Europe, represented Argentina at WEG, Pan-Ams, etc. What Argentine rider in the US would have qualified?

By the way - not disagreeing that money plays a huge factor in the sport but it's not the only factor. And it's much less a factor here in Argentina.
(Sorry for the hijack - just curious)
 
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