Priceless: This Is The Start Of The Anti Corruption

[sesamosinsal]

You can say what you want about Lanata and play the politics of el Grupo Clain, how they used to be pro-K, how Lanata used to be anti-Clarin etc etc, but at the end of the day he and them are keeping honest (for whatever motives) a lying, thieving, corrupt government. Imagine where this country would be without them, what the media would look like? (*shudder*).

Take a step back from what him, Tn and rest of Grupo Clarin media sources have presented the last few weeks and ask yourself which side is more believable, given the massive increases in assets of all the Ks over the last 10 years or so, people like Baez who has all of a sudden gone from working in a bank to having a monopoly over the entire construction/public works market in a province (and who admittedly, even by the Ks is a friend of Nestor and the Kirchners). Guys like Fariña (ex compañero of a Partner in my office) who all of a sudden is a multi-millionaire and are clearly connected with Baez/Kirchners.

What do I truly believe? They're all corrupt, and one shouldn't be placed on a pedestal. Lanata and Grupo Clarín may be keeping the government "honest," but the reality is that they themselves haven't been honest either. Why is that so many on this forum consider Lanata "el dueño de la verdad?" And if Lanata and Grupo Clarín can keep the government honest, why is it that 678's or Duro De Domar's attempt to do the same is discounted entirely?

Lanata says that Boudou went to Caramelo on a Friday with two big bags for a few hours and came back. No one even questions it. But when 678 shows that Boudou was actually welcoming Lula at some ceremony at the same time that Lanata implied he was laundering money in Caramelo, it's automatically considered some piece of government propaganda.

Really?

I don't think I need to say that corruption is a problem in this country. Lanata's hidden camera interview with Fariña is the most damning evidence of all that there is corruption, and all of this should be investigated. But all corruption should be investigated. Wouldn't you agree?

Here's an experiment for the forum. Google "baexpats.org fariña" or "baexpats.org báez". Take a look at the results. Quite a few, yeah? Do the same for "baexpats.org arbizu" or "baexpats.org hernan arbizu."

You're probably asking yourselves: Who is Hernán Arbizu? Evidently, the dueños de la verdad have never told you, and they have no interest in you finding out either.

 

[glasgowjohn]

Re Boudou's trip to Carmelo - I thought LANATA said it was on the afternoon . He was with Lula in the morning but did they go on for lunch. Its only 10 minutes by plane.

Yes Clarin and the rest of their group will not tell us anything about Arbizu - but do you reallly expect them to?

 

[Joe]

You can't put the government and Clarin on the same level. No one has to purchase Clarin products but we all have to pay taxes.

If Clarin was taking public money then the Ks should be angry for not taking their positions into account - but they are not taking public money.

The government is taking public money and using it for propaganda that is abhorrent to a large segment of the population.

 

[EdRooney]

You can't put the government and Clarin on the same level. No one has to purchase Clarin products but we all have to pay taxes.

If Clarin was taking public money then the Ks should be angry for not taking their positions into account - but they are not taking public money.

The government is taking public money and using it for propaganda that is abhorrent to a large segment of the population.

This is naïve at best, Joe.

Grupo Clarín, in spite of their recent cat fights with this govt has benefited and continues to benefit from public resources such as air rights, massive infrastructure investments and huge tax loopholes. Even if you were to avoid paying for Cablevision, buying ANY newspaper (they control Papelprensa), listening to 92% of the radio and every other place they have their monopolistic tentacles, you would still be nonetheless subsidising them through built-in costs to the Argentine economy.

There is a difference with the gov't though: in less than 3 years a different government will be elected, but Grupo Clarín will still be here no matter what the Argentine people want.

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

Nail on head Joe. Glad you said it, I am dumbfounded that anyone would try draw parallels between government lies and media lies.

Media telling fibs is par for the course in almost every country in the world, including the US. They can't all be telling the truth otherwise we'd have a fairly shallow pool of opinions.

Government corruption and lying is something else all together !

 

[sesamosinsal]

Re Boudou's trip to Carmelo - I thought LANATA said it was on the afternoon . He was with Lula in the morning but did they go on for lunch. Its only 10 minutes by plane.

Yes Clarin and the rest of their group will not tell us anything about Arbizu - but do you reallly expect them to?

Regarding Boudou, Lanata said he left San Fernando at 11 a.m., and he returned at 2 p.m. He was in the Argentine senate at 12 p.m. You could argue that the information was imprecise, but what does that say about the entire accusation?

As far as Arbizu, of course *I* don't expect them to mention him. However, it would seem that many here regard Clarin and Lanata as Argentina's moral authority.

 

[sesamosinsal]

Nail on head Joe. Glad you said it, I am dumbfounded that anyone would try draw parallels between government lies and media lies.

I'm not drawing parallels between government and private corporations. What I'm trying to point out is the absurdity of believing everything that Clarin says because it's not the government.

 

[Joe]

This attempt to muzzle Clarin reminds me of the Political Establishment in the US and Europe trying to muzzle Julian Assange.

Corrupt governments on the left and right are one and the same.

They both want to shoot the messenger.

 

[trennod]

Bradly, this is the problem with the government propaganda, they pick through Lanata and TNs journalism with such a fine tooth comb just to find one thing thats slightly incorrect in an attempt to discredit the whole product. But, to be honest it doesnt worry me if Boudou went with a few bags of money to Uruguay. What worries me is with his pay packet as a government employee how he has multiplied his asset base so considerably. This information is publicly available, signed and sealed by him (of which we know it doesnt even include everything). And, he is only one member of the chain.

You do realise Clarin is not funded by our taxes and such doesnt have the same responsibilities as what government media should? This is where your logic is flawed, more than anything.

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

I'm not drawing parallels between government and private corporations. What I'm trying to point out is the absurdity of believing everything that Clarin says because it's not the government.

I agree with you, it´s absurd. You're diluting that message though when you ask why as many people aren't familiar with the Arbizu case, you are drawing parallels (directly or indirectly) between govt corruption and Clarin corruption.

I believe it would be excellent for the quality of Argentina's media output if the Clarin monopoly were disbanded in favour of real competition.

If that competition is going to be government sponsored propaganda then I will take the lesser of two evils.

Genuine question, who owns La Nacion, are they included in Grupo Clarin?