Priceless: This Is The Start Of The Anti Corruption

[trennod]

I'm not drawing parallels between government and private corporations. What I'm trying to point out is the absurdity of believing everything that Clarin says because it's not the government.

But you are drawing parallels, have a re-read through your posts (if not I will and re-quote you if you prefer).
No-one believes everything has Clarin says. Well, atleast I havent met anyone that does.

 

[Joe]

I don't think many people believe everything Clarin says. But many do believe a majority of what they say because the government is trying so hard to repress it. If the accusations were not correct then find fault with the accusations. File a slander case.

The fact the government is attacking the messenger instead of the message adds credibility to the accusations.

 

[dennisr]

Where exactly has Clarin egregiously lied?

 

[robwerwe]

Where exactly has Clarin egregiously lied?

I think they once mentioned that Buenos Aires is the Paris of South America.

 

[AmigoArtistico]

This is naïve at best, Joe.

Grupo Clarín, in spite of their recent cat fights with this govt has benefited and continues to benefit from public resources such as air rights, massive infrastructure investments and huge tax loopholes. Even if you were to avoid paying for Cablevision, buying ANY newspaper (they control Papelprensa), listening to 92% of the radio and every other place they have their monopolistic tentacles, you would still be nonetheless subsidising them through built-in costs to the Argentine economy.

There is a difference with the gov't though: in less than 3 years a different government will be elected, but Grupo Clarín will still be here no matter what the Argentine people want.

Oh, man. Where to begin.

• Clarín is not a monopoly. Clarín is not a monopoly. Clarín is not a monopoly. Clarín is not a monopoly. If you don't know what a monopoly is, there's probably not much hope that you can understand much of anything else.
• Papel Prensa is also not a monopoly. This one's a little trickier, so I'll explain it for you slowly. 1. The world is overflowing with newsprint for sale. 2. The government prohibits the importation of newsprint. This leads to: 3. The government says that Papel Prensa is a monopoly, so they have one more way to screw with the peoples' right to free speech.
• How many companies don't benefit from public resources such as air rights (all over the air media companies), infrastructure investments and tax loopholes. Furthermore, I'd sure like to see proof of Clarín benefiting from huge tax loopholes at this moment in time (unless those loopholes benefit all companies so that it's difficult for the government to strip them from Clarín).
• I notice that you conveniently forgot to mention that the government is squeezing Clarín, La Nación, and Perfil right now, by not permitting supermarkets to advertise in them, taking away those papers' biggest source of revenue. How incredibly democratic.

Sos poco creible, amigo. No comemos vidrio. Por favor!

 

[trennod]

Ed is anti-american, pro-K, go easy on him Amigo Artistico (PS I am not American).

 

[EdRooney]

• Clarín is not a monopoly. Clarín is not a monopoly. Clarín is not a monopoly. Clarín is not a monopoly. If you don't know what a monopoly is, there's probably not much hope that you can understand much of anything else.

Repeating things over and over again never seems to have an effect on their veracity. Clarín owns well over half of the cable market, and its control of Papel Prensa (see below) makes utterly dominant in print. Then there's its huge radio presence... The fact is it is beyond a dominant presence in the market, it is more: it serves the function of a monopoly: ie, no one can compete because of its dominant position. the only other power almost big enough to try and gain a foothold is the government with their god-awful propaganda. That makes Clarín anti-competitive and therefore a monopoly by any reasonable definition.

• Papel Prensa is also not a monopoly. This one's a little trickier, so I'll explain it for you slowly. 1. The world is overflowing with newsprint for sale. 2. The government prohibits the importation of newsprint. This leads to: 3. The government says that Papel Prensa is a monopoly, so they have one more way to screw with the peoples' right to free speech.

Your argument rests on the fact that its the government's fault that Grupo Clarín is a monopoly. I agree. That does not mean, however, that the incestuous relationship between the two parasites should not be broken. As consumers and taxpayers, we need not side with either of them though.

• How many companies don't benefit from public resources such as air rights (all over the air media companies), infrastructure investments and tax loopholes. Furthermore, I'd sure like to see proof of Clarín benefiting from huge tax loopholes at this moment in time (unless those loopholes benefit all companies so that it's difficult for the government to strip them from Clarín).h¿

Because I'm on the road right now, I don't have time to look up links, but this is something you may want to look into. The government and Clarín are alot closer than their rhetoric would let on. And you're right, the larger the corporation the more they milk off the public teet; this does not make it right. These are public resources and the public should decide how they are used.

• I notice that you conveniently forgot to mention that the government is squeezing Clarín, La Nación, and Perfil right now, by not permitting supermarkets to advertise in them, taking away those papers' biggest source of revenue. How incredibly democratic.

You seem intelligent, so I assume you can understand that my invectives against Clarín do not mean support for the FPV. Just as my hatred of River does not make me a Boca fan. Am I wrong to assume that?

Sos poco creible, amigo. No comemos vidrio. Por favor!

Whatever.

 

[Matiasba]

Its naiv to pretend Clarin is a clean enterprize that they made the money based on "credibility".

They were allied to the dictatorship, the lowest hours this country lived. They negotiated with them. Clarin enters the dictatorship being a small newspaper, selling 300,000 per day. La Nacion pretty much the same, Cronica almost 800,000. After the dictatorship Clarin and la Nacion turnes into co owners of Papel Prensa (which belonged to peronism persecuted and killed by the dictatorship) and Clarin exits the dictatorship selling 800,000 and Cronica 300,000.
Then they didnt stop growing, in the 90s they acquired canal 13, a lot of Radios and newspapers of the interior. They were the most benefitted with the pensions privatization, the AFJPs, and literally stole our grandmas and grandpas. It was a multi millionaire negotiation. Huge responsibility in 2001 crash. Then, when the Ks era was beggining, they wanted the telephones market, as it was a law allowing competition opening and deregulating the market. The Ks wanted to give the bussiness to national capitals and, as it was the times when Clarin and Ks were friends, they almost got that bussiness. Then the fight became and we all know, but Clarin was immersed in a lot of turbid bussiness till today. They are clearly over the law, since they have the power to depose a government (at least until this one), they have judges, they have HUGE political power, its not "just a newspaper + some tv channels", they are the representatives of big corporations, such as multinationals, or the agrarian complex (los "sojeros" for instance) or other political actors like the us embassy, some sindicates that are very powerful, Macri, etc They are the voice of all these people, they OWN all this people, they give publicity to this people as much as they want, they coordinate campaigns, they give entity to politicians, etc. You can have a similar example of the coup to Chavez in 2002, it was a mediatic coup, it was coordinated by the media, they managed the subject, they had the power, think that they condense in one single enterprize all the power these diverse actors, from different extract, with different intentions, etc, have, they all must pass for Clarin, they must negotiate with them, they have to convince them to have some press, to be someone (if you dont appear on tv or figure in some radio or newspaper the group has, you re nobody).

So, its not only the representative of this different interests (that converge in the anti K form) its an actor for itself, with particular interests, with big political power, the economic groups that loundry money with them are too their allies, so they have huge economical weight as well.

And as bradly say, this government finishes, and we ll vote dor some one new, but who elects Clarin president? How do you control this economical groups if not by the government?

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

How do you control this economical groups if not by the government?

A lot of people are asking how do you control this government if not by Clarín.

 

[Matiasba]

A lot of people are asking how do you control this government if not by Clarín.

you control the government with your vote!!