she makes me sick already...

[glasgowjohn]

And that's why Brazil has grown to be the sixth biggest economy in the world?

are you suggesting then that Brazil owes its power to the IMF recipes, money, advice slash demands slash threatens?

you should contrast both countries histories if you want to compare both economies. The US funded dictaduras in south america were not as strong as in Argentina. In brazil it wasn't that hard... (even though terrible too) Of course we are responsible for our history. We and only we are. That's why I celebrate cutting the student pet attitude towards IMF and US of the previous governments (and that;s luckily a new trend in many countries in Southamerica). Aside of our own incapacity for looking for what's best for our homeland, I believe it's undeniable that IMF and US governments directly contributed to take our economy down in the last 40 years.



and by the way, do you know the size and the population of brazil? how can you compare both countries on the same ground?

and by the way have you ever been in Brazil? Have you seen the huge amount of poor people on the streets? have you walked through CRACOLANDIA in Sao Paulo?

Being a super power country doesn't mean that has huge problems of health, education, and social justice.[/quote]





You said the IMF had destroyed South America.

I dont agree and I put the case of Brazil.

I could have put the case of Chile , Colombia or Peru

Some examples of succesful economies that havent been destroyed by the IMF. You may not like the politics of the government in power but you cant argue that they have created jobs , tackled inflation and stabilised exchange rates.

And they have done this with limited import restrictions and people are free to buy dollars if they wish.

I am not a neoliberal but you cant blame the IMF for all the problems that exist in the world

 

[scotttswan]

please read what you write my friend, it's nonsense!

learn some history and get informed. Please watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNnreyVRibQ

of course its a monopoly. they control the only journal paper factory (the one that provides with paper for ALL the other journals... why do they own that??? how do you call that?

how Grupo Clarin begun its race towards power? when was the jump?
1976, papel prensa, is probably the answer.


please get some information.

Then make them sell off the paper factory, separate it from clarin or put in an independent observer to make sure they are providing the same rate for ever company/organisation tat wish to use it.

Same goes for their internet/phone/cable services. Put in regulations to prevent them from abusing their position. I currently have Telecentro and they only broadcast 2 channels on that AFAIK. Are they broadcasting on every channel on Cablevision? Surely people would unsubscribe if they couldn't watch Sony/TLC/History/ESPN etc on their boxes.

The media act seems to indicate they have to sell off some of their radio / tv channels? They quite clearly don't have a monopoly in broadcasting.

 

[citygirl]

you should contrast both countries histories if you want to compare both economies. The US funded dictaduras in south america were not as strong as in Argentina. In brazil it wasn't that hard... (even though terrible too) Of course we are responsible for our history. We and only we are. That's why I celebrate cutting the student pet attitude towards IMF and US of the previous governments (and that;s luckily a new trend in many countries in Southamerica). Aside of our own incapacity for looking for what's best for our homeland, I believe it's undeniable that IMF and US governments directly contributed to take our economy down in the last 40 years.



and by the way, do you know the size and the population of brazil? how can you compare both countries on the same ground?

and by the way have you ever been in Brazil? Have you seen the huge amount of poor people on the streets? have you walked through CRACOLANDIA in Sao Paulo?

Being a super power country doesn't mean that has huge problems of health, education, and social justice.

And here we see "Y vos??!!" in action...

 

[Iznogud]

Of course we are responsible for our history. We and only we are.
...
Aside of our own incapacity for looking for what's best for our homeland, I believe it's undeniable that IMF and US governments directly contributed to take our economy down in the last 40 years.

Amazing powers of contradiction.

 

[Mitch]

Amazing powers of contradiction.

Damn! How did his lunch taste, since you ate it?

 

[ropasuciaafuera]

Amazing powers of contradiction.

we are responsible and they've contributed. no contradiction.
btw, this government is paying the debt previous governments have taken, as no one else has ever paid!

do you believe the imf wants the best for south america? they are the good ones, right? they are saving us from ourselves, the US and EU is krypton, IMF is superman, and we are NYC, right, that explains everything. they helped us a lot, we should be thanking them in the international conferences!!! we should be asking for more help indeed. we should be looking at what spain, greece, portugal and italy are doing, and follow along these amazing and promising plans. right.

please watch this piece of gold! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihRD8H4c8Rs


and yesterday Victor Hugo talked with an argentinean girl graduated from Harvard who attended the conference. speechless... those guys were part of a horrible theater and the did a cheap job
http://www.diarioregistrado.com/politica/65596-la-mirada-de-una-graduada-de-harvard.html


dude i read over my writings... i have so much english to learn!

 

[arlean]

I am reading all your comments with interest. Trying to understand Argentina and what I see going on here. I am in Palermo among well-educated people and I listen to them all in my effort--their opinions and the history that they share with me--as they see it. It seems to me Argentina has everything it needs to succeed--and yet there is constant failure. I know the history that not so long ago they were second only to the United States economically and I continually try to understand--what HAPPENED? Most people blame the dictatorship (the previous one I might add) and socialism. Corrupt politicians able to buy votes with other people's money.

I do agree with ropasuciaafuera about the IMF destroying South America, though I think they had plenty of cooperation from South America. But if the president said that (I tried to listen to her but my Spanish is sadly lacking) then I would be clapping. There are other things I see that I KNOW are destructive and most of them seem to be the things that people here like. For those who disagree on the IMF read John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

I can tell from what people here support that there is very little economic education here--but then I could say the same about the U.S. these days. Little to NO economics education. The state schools want it that way. If people understood more economics the politicians would have to straighten up their act. This way the politicians are free and the people are enslaved and they like it that way. Thanks to all of you, pro and con, for your comments.

 

[fifs2]

and yesterday Victor Hugo talked with an argentinean girl graduated from Harvard who attended the conference. speechless... those guys were part of a horrible theater and the did a cheap job
http://www.diarioregistrado.com/politica/65596-la-mirada-de-una-graduada-de-harvard.html








Quote from said article "La actitud de estos jóvenes adinerados está intrínsecamente ligada a ciertas concepciones de las clases dominantes argentinas, a las que jamás les preocupó el país sino sus propios intereses de clase..."
Donovan's brain ""He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts."

Paranoia is a blinding concept....maybe have CFK hold her next press conference in La Matanza and see if the less monied members of society give her an easier ride...]

 

[Iznogud]

Amazing powers of contradiction.

The way the original statement is offered says that all responsibility, in the end, is ours exclusively (very adult thing to say) only to add "but the devils made us do it" (an extraordinary childish argument that forfeits all credibility).

Had the terms of said paragraph been written in a different order, assuming the ultimate responsibility as a conclusion, it could have been taken seriously. The way it came out it's just part of the eternal justifications our crooked society keeps pooping to remain acting in an irresponsible way. IMO

The following post is just more fingerpointing.

FYI, the government does not pay for our debts. WE pay. The debt is ours, regardless of the government (that WE had, elected or not) who contracted it and spent it on our behalf with or without approval or consensus.

What happened to "we and only we" being responsible?

Please, do not "dude" me until you reach maturity and learn to write/read your own statements properly.

 

[sergio]

Did CFK really say "Yankeelandia"? Can that be true?