Soldiers who should face a firing squad before they die of natural causes

[Bajo_cero2]

I don't follow your point or the distinction you make. Maybe it's a language problem. The systemic plan, i.e., the oppression, murder, torture, baby harvesting etc was authored and executed by immoral scumbags who headed up and exercised control of the military junta.

I meant that it wasn´t because a few rotten apples. Regards

 

[mercjoe]

Absolutely correct.

Where are the guerrilla soldiers ?
Oh wait, many part of this "democratic" government...

"Killers" free and no justice for their victims.

They are really good at washing brains just like back in the 70's.
Look at you, wasting your time spreading your hate instead of doing something to get this country somewhere. Where you even borned at that time ?

Here part of what those inocent pure kids did:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/3292645/Crimenes-de-Montoneros_-ERP_-FAL_-FAR___.html


SO much hipocrisy an lies make me sick.

I disagree. I don't think those trials serve any useful purpose, except the cynical political purpose of distracting people from all the problems that should be dealt with (eg, crime, inflation, poverty, etc.).

Argentina focuses too much on the past.

 

[mercjoe]

Most people were waiting for them. And most people not politically involved with montoneros or similar never had a problem.

Stop spreading "your" version of the story.

Your parents and their friends are NOT all the people. If they did have the support of the people they would have been elected, not taken the power by force. You are totally wrong. People didn't support the coup, they weren't able to dissent because those that did where TORTURED and KILLED. I'm so fed up of people trying to reinvent history, just like the Ks today.
If someone did support the coup, was minority, privileged groups that were scared shitless of socialism and communism (like Americans) and that's a far shot from all the pueblo like you said.

 

[mercjoe]

yeah, he also let free Videla. So ?

Firmenich is a cold blood assassin and he's free.

What the fuck about the guerrilla victims ?

Justicia, democracia y derechos humanos my ass. Estos hijos de puta que lamentablemente nos gobiernan se cagan de parados en los derechos humanos. Hipócritas y mentirosos profesionales. Me dan asco.

Quiero un país como la gente, me chupa un reverendo egg lo que pasó hace 40 años. Que metan a TODOS los asesinos en cana de una puta vez y que la terminen con toda esta cantinela pedorra y aburrida. Puro discurso y politiquería para ocuparle la cabeza a la gilada.

You should be less ignorant. He was arrested and extradited from Brasil, he was condemned to 30 years of prision. Later Menem amnestied him.

Regards

 

[Bajo_cero2]

of course there was a war!! what was doing ERP (EJERCITO revolucionario del pueblo) in Tucumán then? or all the armed assaults against military units? They weren't boy-scouts!
The same for Montoneros.
And 30.000 guerrilleros wouldn't have changed much. The combat units of the Army were too strong for them back in those years.

The attack to military barracks happened before the dictadura and they were defeated during democracy. So, there wasn t a war.

Monte Chingolo: 23 de diciembre de 1975:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataque_al_Batall%C3%B3n_de_Monte_Chingolo

Infanteria de Monte en Corrientes: 5 de octubre de 1975

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataque_al_Regimiento_de_Infantería_de_Monte_29

Resume: the guerrilla was defeated before dictadura.

Regarding the crimes commited by them, those that happened during democracy (1973-23.3.1976) are prosecutable while those commited during the dictadura are prescribed.

Regards

 

[Bajo_cero2]

yeah, he also let free Videla. So ?

Firmenich is a cold blood assassin and he's free.

What the fuck about the guerrilla victims ?

Justicia, democracia y derechos humanos my ass. Estos hijos de puta que lamentablemente nos gobiernan se cagan de parados en los derechos humanos. Hipócritas y mentirosos profesionales. Me dan asco.

Quiero un país como la gente, me chupa un reverendo egg lo que pasó hace 40 años. Que metan a TODOS los asesinos en cana de una puta vez y que la terminen con toda esta cantinela pedorra y aburrida. Puro discurso y politiquería para ocuparle la cabeza a la gilada.

Well, Estela de Carlotto and many other defendless women were brave enough to face Videla and they started walking around Plaza de Mayo for years. Many of them, as Azucena Villaflor, were kidnapped, raped, torture just because they were looking for their kidnapped relatives.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azucena_Villaflor

The genocidals are in jail because abuelas de Plaza de Mayo made it happend.

What are you going to do about it besides typing your frustration in this forum?

Regards

 

[bebero]

Did you know that not only those who were guerrilleros disappeared? Did you know that they could go to your home and terrorize you if they saw you walking around with a pink floyd album? Did you know that the military stopped regular buses in the middle of the highways and they punched and sexually harassed women? And did you know that you could spend the night in jail (even if you were a minor) for being in the streets at night, even if you were just taking a walk Did you know they checked the phone books of every person they abducted and then went to pay visits to all of these people?

how many members of the military were killed vs how many civilians disappeared?

anyone who argue what a dark period in history it was and against trial for the military that participated in this disgusts me.

 

[Fabe]

I write this with the credentials of having had a sister that was abducted.
Not by the military , but by those peronistas that integrated the AAA.
I find it offensive and disgusting that he same political party now has coopted the human rights crusade. Its another manifestation , along with the falklands issue and free football of populist circus.
Any advances that have been made ( AND THEY WERE NEEDED) in human rights in this country are now stained.
I have my own conclusions about what brought about the domestic terrorism that shook this society in the '70s. Most of it can be traced back to nothing other than right wing peronistas against left wing peronistas and their common thirst for power.
It is an abomination that those in power use this issue to inflame sentiments against their politial enemies.
The stae of affairs now is that there is an argument for the questioning of the DNA bank that was soo important when it was formed. It is no longer independant , it answers and is under the influence of those in power.
Hebe de Bonafini and her troop of thugs have desecrated the spirit of all those that were disapeared and or tortured.
Millions upon millions of dollars were absconded in the name of human rights.
What the military did to this society in another abomination. What the polititians , and labor leaders and the church did by welcoming and ushering them into power with releif , thanks , and a green light is an abomination upon the argentine society.
It was no other than ARGENTINES who permitted this horrific chapter to happen .
It infuriates me to read the comments of the ignorant on this forum as if they were speaking in a greenpeace demostration.
It was the argentine society that welcomed the blood bath , the argentine society that pardoned the culprits , and the argentine society that CHOOSES to remain blind and deaf regarding those asassins that are still free military and otherwise.

 

[Amargo]

The attack to military barracks happened before the dictadura and they were defeated during democracy. So, there wasn t a war.

Monte Chingolo: 23 de diciembre de 1975:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataque_al_Batall%C3%B3n_de_Monte_Chingolo

Infanteria de Monte en Corrientes: 5 de octubre de 1975

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataque_al_Regimiento_de_Infantería_de_Monte_29

Resume: the guerrilla was defeated before dictadura.

Regarding the crimes commited by them, those that happened during democracy (1973-23.3.1976) are prosecutable while those commited during the dictadura are prescribed.

Regards

Not true. From Wikipedia:

The Montoneros were effectively finished off by 1977, although their "Special Forces" did fight on until 1981. The Montoneros tried to disrupt the World Cup Soccer Tournament being hosted in Argentina in 1978 by launching a number of bomb attacks.[60] In late 1979, the Montoneros launched a "strategic counteroffensive" in Argentina, and the security forces killed more than one hundred of the exiled Montoneros, who had been sent back to Argentina[61] after receiving special forces training in camps in the Middle East.[62] Among the Montoneros killed in this operation were Luis Francisco Goya and María Lourdes Martínez Aranda who after crossing the Chilean border into Argentina were abducted in the city of Mendoza in 1980 and never seen again, with their son Jorge Guillermo being adopted and raised by an army NCO, Luis Alberto Tejada and his wife Raquel Quinteros.[63] During the 1980s a captured Sandinista commando revealed that Montoneros "Special Forces" were training Sandinista frogmen and conducting gun runs across the Gulf of Fonseca to the Sandinista allies in El Salvador, FMLN guerrillas.

Moreover, if they fought during a democratic period, they are "golpistas", something they love to accuse the democratica opposition of (Macri didn't send his party members for military training to the Middle East, as far as I know).

 

[cuore]

Wow, just wow.

It's far from over. People still are affected every day of their lives by what took place during that period.

As I said, I suspect you'd feel very differently were it you or your family who were affected. Read again what French jurist wrote, imagine that for you and your family and tell us how it's political posturing to prosecute these animals.

Yes, people are still very affected by the fact that the man/woman that killed their husbands/wives/children has a seat in Congress..