Soldiers who should face a firing squad before they die of natural causes

[Guillo]

I think the best source could be your parents or someone older in your family who was an adult at that time. Today almost everyone would deny having supported the coup (at least en público). But most people did (not implying that your relatives supported the coup, but they will surely know how massive the support was).
Otherwise works by Luis Alberto Romero, Félix Luna...read the archives of the newspapers.

Your parents and their friends are NOT all the people. If they did have the support of the people they would have been elected, not taken the power by force. You are totally wrong. People didn't support the coup, they weren't able to dissent because those that did where TORTURED and KILLED. I'm so fed up of people trying to reinvent history, just like the Ks today.
If someone did support the coup, was minority, privileged groups that were scared shitless of socialism and communism (like Americans) and that's a far shot from all the pueblo like you said.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I think the best source could be your parents or someone older in your family who was an adult at that time. Today almost everyone would deny having supported the coup (at least en público). But most people did (not implying that your relatives supported the coup, but they will surely know how massive the support was).
Otherwise works by Luis Alberto Romero, Félix Luna...read the archives of the newspapers.

Sure, but nobody supported what they did even in those times. In fact, it was a secret and they denied it until today.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

In military justice systems I have to believe the death penalty exists for certain crimes, treason, etc. If so, the actions of high ranking military men who ordered these things is punishable by death as treason, but whether or not military justice incorporates a death penalty, the conduct of these scum justifies it. That the death penalty may not exist in Argentine law is an unfortnate circumstance that ought to be remedied.

At the beggining of democracy they were prosecuted under military law, but military judges refuses to prosecute them. That´s why they were prosecuted in the civilian justice.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

What is often not mentioned is that the military took power because ALMOST EVERYONE in Argentina wanted them to do so, the pueblo was with them.

Between 1930 and 1983 there were many dictators but they were mild. Nobody expected to have an Argentinian Hitler.

 

[Amargo]

Your parents and their friends are NOT all the people

Nonsense, my parents were not Argentine and never lived in Argentina. Only visited the country once (1985).

If they did have the support of the people they would have been elected, not taken the power by force. You are totally wrong. People didn't support the coup, they weren't able to dissent because those that did where TORTURED and KILLED. I'm so fed up of people trying to reinvent history, just like the Ks today.
If someone did support the coup, was minority, privileged groups that were scared shitless of socialism and communism (like Americans) and that's a far shot from all the pueblo like you said.

Please read some of the works by the historians I mentioned. I am old enough to be able to tell you that in those days the people (and of course also intellectuals, journalists, business people) were almost begging the military to come and solve the mess the country was in. I am talking about the time before the coup. I strongly recommend you read the newspapers of that time.
Even today, when (older) people criticise the spreading of the villas, the social and economic mess our country is in, etc., they say something like: "tendrían que venir los militares y arreglar este quilombo!" o "esto no pasaría si estuvieran los militares".
Historians agree that the coup of 1976 was different than previous in that it had a wide support across all social sectors of the country.

 

[dr__dawggy]

If someone did support the coup, was minority, privileged groups that  were scared shitless of socialism and communism (like Americans) and  that's a far shot from all the pueblo like you said

I want to correct one point you made: Americans are not "scared shitless" of European style socialism. Most of us firmly believe some version of capitalism provides more opportunities for upward mobility and a higher standard of living than socialism.

It IS entirely accurate to say we are "scared shitless" of socialist dictatorships of the sort that are found in Latin America and in the former Soviet Union. Freedom of speech, assembly, press and religion are sacred for us....

 

[tomedison]

When Videla took over the govt in March 1976 it was because the country was in chaos. Isabelita had ascended from VP to the presidency after Juan Peron died in 74. She made Richard Nixon look like the philosopher -king. She was inept and incapable of running a household, much less a country where inflation was running at 50% per month. She turned over control to Lopez Rega. He was Dick Cheney squared to her Georgie Bush. She was subsequently imprisoned for allegedly stealing from a charitable fund - part of the coup intrigue of the military. Lopez Rega hightailed it to Spain.

The people did want change from the inept and oppressive government of Isabelita and Lopez Rega's AAA, but the people did not want a military regime that was even more oppressive than its predecessor. Initially, the junta may have had popular support, but in short order the only ones who supported the military were the temporarily uninformed masses and the rich upper class who were, of course, fearful of any meaningful sociopolitical reform that leftists, progressives, student movements were championing. As soon as the draconian methods of the military became clearer even few of the masses supported them. That's why the La Madres de La Plaza was able to succeed.

Two wrongs do not make a right. I stated no opinion as to whether there were others outside the miltary junta (Monteneros etc) who were equally as evil, or almost as evil, or just a small percentage as evil as the military thugs responsible for the horrors committed in the name of the state. There may have been a number of leftists, progressives who committed kidnappings and violence who also deserve equal punishment, but I suspect that is a more complicated issue about which I have less knowledge. Whatever punishment the leftists/ progressives/ student acivists deserve is independent from the judgment that befits Videla and his cohorts who gave direct orders and/or condoned indiscriminant murder, widespread torture, and the harvesting of newborns. This thread was intended to be about the rotten scum in the military, not others.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

This thread was intended to be about the rotten scum in the military, not others.

Well, that´s the point, what happend wasn´t the consequence of rotten scum, it was the consequence of a sistematic plan.

Regarding the debate about why Montoneros are not being prosecuted, it is a false debate product of ignorancy. They were prosecuted and found not guilte because the case is prescribed.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/973164-fallo-favorable-a-montoneros-de-la-camara-federal

After the last dictadura, for Argentinians fair trial is sacred, too many died without a trial.

Regards

 

[Bajo_cero2]

This thread was intended to be about the rotten scum in the military, not others.

Well, that´s the point, what happend wasn´t the consequence of rotten scum, it was the consequence of a sistematic plan.

Regarding the debate about why Montoneros are not being prosecuted, it is a false debate product of ignorancy. They were prosecuted and found not guilty because the case is prescribed.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/973164-fallo-favorable-a-montoneros-de-la-camara-federal

After the last dictadura, for Argentinians fair trial is sacred, too many died without a trial.

Regards

 

[tomedison]

Well, that´s the point, what happend wasn´t the consequence of rotten scum, it was the consequence of a sistematic plan.

I don't follow your point or the distinction you make. Maybe it's a language problem. The systemic plan, i.e., the oppression, murder, torture, baby harvesting etc was authored and executed by immoral scumbags who headed up and exercised control of the military junta.