Springtime Bolivariana . Students Revolt

Dublin2BuenosAires said:
If you believe in free media in Venezuela then I guess this conversation is on shakey ground. As I am sure you are aware there is a law - "Ley de Responsabilidad Social en Radio, Televisión y Medios Electrónicos" which prevents channels, websites and newspapers reporting on matters which might (as judged by the govt) incite felonies, create social distress or question the legimate constituted authority.

In other words, any reporting of protests is illegal and will result in a hefty fine (10 % of previous years income...note, no 10% of profit, 10% of income!

So, regardless of who owns the media, they are controlled by state laws so we can dispense with the fallacy of free media straight away, the govt has previously fined ISPs for publishing the black market currency rate and currently is engaged in switching off twitter accounts that publish news they don't like.

Orwellian indeed.
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To my knowledge the private media is reporting about the protests. Just take a look at the major private TV channels like
- Venevision: http://www.noticiero...os-de-seguridad and http://www.noticierovenevision.net/nacionales/2014/febrero/17/89678=universitarios-marcharon-hasta-conatel-en-rechazo-a-censura-y-al-ataque-de-medios-del-estado-a-sus-acciones
- Televen http://www.televen.c...-martes-al-mij/ ,
- Globovision http://globovision.c...gnb-en-chacaito

Those are just a few examples of either opposition or neutral private TV channels available via regular antenna. There are others via cable and satellite. As in other Latin American countries many people have access to satellite TV and can watch news programs from international channels as well. The image you are painting with the information about the protests only available via state media is wrong.

And I never said there was "free" media in Venezuela - did I. What definition of free media are we using and has it ever been "free" in Venezuela based on that definition?
 
germano said:
To my knowledge the private media is reporting about the protests. Just take a look at the major private TV channels like
- Venevision: http://www.noticiero...os-de-seguridad and http://www.noticiero...-a-sus-acciones
- Televen http://www.televen.c...-martes-al-mij/ ,
- Globovision http://globovision.c...gnb-en-chacaito

Those are just a few examples of either opposition or neutral private TV channels available via regular antenna. There are others via cable and satellite. As in other Latin American countries many people have access to satellite TV and can watch news programs from international channels as well. The image you are painting with the information about the protests only available via state media is wrong.

And I never said there was "free" media in Venezuela - did I. What definition of free media are we using and has it ever been "free" in Venezuela based on that definition?
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I think we've been over this, but again, I am referring to state controlled media, i.e where the state controls content via the law I have referenced which you have conveniently chosen to ignore.

Media free of state legislation over content would be a good place to start if you were confused.

Those reports you have linked are fairly sanitised reports of concentrations of student bodies and do not refer to fatalities or government agression, because that would be illegal.
 
Tex said:
Please explain how elections in Venezuela are more transparent than elections in the U.S.???
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Facts, just facts.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/03/why-us-dcemonises-venezuelas-democracy
 
Dublin2BuenosAires said:
Where are you getting your information from there Frenchie? Anyone who is from Venezuela on twitter or reddit isn't spinning it that way? Again, state media is not valuable information. I'd like to read an independent source but I don't see it available.
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It's similar to what happened in april 2013: there were like 10 victims and many Western newspapers published things like "Protests against the government, 10 killed". Reading those articles would lead to think that the victims were among the protesters, but digging enough info, you would realize that they were all Chavistas (plus a cop)! Sounds like mass manipulation to me.
http://baexpats.org/topic/25780-maduro-wins-venezuelas-election-with-51-of-votes/page__st__70#entry204750

Same thing now: 3 victims are mentioned for the past week. I digged some info and I managed to find out that one victim was a Chavista and another one was a student protesting (no idea for the 3rd victim).

Chavism is not my cup of tea but I don't want medias to tell me what to think, manipulating the information.
 
Dublin2BuenosAires said:
Media free of state legislation over content would be a good place to start if you were confused.
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Where do we have no legislation over content? You think a TV channel or newspaper telling its citizens or military to get rid of an democratically elected government via unconstitutional means would be possible in the US or Europe? I don't think so. Of course there is always legislation over the content.
 
frenchie said:
Facts, just facts.
http://www.theguardi...uelas-democracy
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Not taking any sides here, but this article has a horrible journalistic quality. Just read the first two sections and one could skip the rest... If one continues however, one will see statements like "And also unlike the US, where as many as 90 million eligible voters will not vote in November, the government in Venezuela has done everything to increase voter registration (now at a record of about 97%) and participation.", where totally unrelated figures are used to create an impression. Finally, the use of Carter's statement without any context is just hilarious; what the Carter Center actually published was http://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/venezuela-070313.html: yes, the voting machines work very well, but if you would be able for several persons to vote more than ones or one would exclude persons from voting, the best technology doesn't guarantee a democratic election.
 
frenchie said:
It's similar to what happened in april 2013: there were like 10 victims and many Western newspapers published things like "Protests against the government, 10 killed". Reading those articles would lead to think that the victims were among the protesters, but digging enough info, you would realize that they were all Chavistas (plus a cop)! Sounds like mass manipulation to me.
http://baexpats.org/..._70#entry204750

Same thing now: 3 victims are mentioned for the past week. I digged some info and I managed to find out that one victim was a Chavista and another one was a student protesting (no idea for the 3rd victim).
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Exactly. And Dublin2BA: the private media in Venezuela is reporting about fatalities:

http://eltiempo.com.ve/venezuela/situacion/dos-muertos-tras-sucesos-violentos-en-marcha-opositora-en-caracas/126056
http://www.eluniversal.com/sucesos/140213/jornada-de-protesta-dejo-tres-muertos
http://www.elmundo.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/sucesos/dos-muertos-y-tres-heridos-al-finalizar-marcha-est.aspx
http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/sucesos/fotos---3-muertos-y-28-heridos-tras-marcha-oposito.aspx
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One of the most important newspaper titulated yesterday (of ourse front page):

"el deber de protestar"

http://www.talcualdi...=COL&idcolum=65

how could that be under control of the State?

ps: did you read or heard something about the rol the media played in the 2002 coup? and YES, it was also the US embassy plan.
 
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1665512-quien-era-genesis-carmona-la-reina-de-belleza-que-murio-baleada-en-la-protesta-contra-maduro

This young woman? CIA operative?

Fcking pathetic.
 
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