Springtime Bolivariana . Students Revolt

Napoleon said:
^ ^ Exactly ^ ^

Read the Pan Am Post interview with the police officer.

Watch this CNN en Español interview from the Dominican Republic with the Venezuelan ambassador to the DR. (en castellano) This guy is am embarrassment to the entire diplomatic community.

http://www.lapatilla...minicana-video/
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To be honest, the journalist won't receive the Pulitzer prize any time soon!

Since a protestor + a chavista got murdered by the same gun (if true), I'd be curious to know who shot them (seem to belong to the intelligence service and there might be an infiltration).

But this video is quite a symbol of the actual polarization: the two women support the opposition and want to hear certain things while the ambassador (with a very personal sense of diplomacy indeed) defends his point of view. It would be interesting to hear what this journalist had to say when 9 chavistas got murdered last year.

The future of Venezuela looks gloomy:
- Economy won't get better on the short term (lot of money invested in social plans + likely an economical destabilization organized from abroad = same technic was used to knock off Allende).
- The opposition won't win elections on the short or even the middle term (social plans)

When did those february protests started? -> on the 6th of February
A group of 80 "students" (supposedely paid by the opposition leader who is now in jail) attacked the governor's house. 11 people got wounded (including 9 cops). Some students were of course arrested. Story here -> http://diariodecarac...rbios-ocurridos

Then other protests occured in the Merida region to ask that those "students" get out of jail.

Then on 02/12, those protesters attacked the Ministry of Justice and 3 people got shot (2 protestors + 1 chavistas).
 
[quote name 'Rich One' timestamp='139292post='244547']
It Boils down to whom would you like to lead Venezuela? Maduro a former bus Driver or Leo Lopez a Harvard Graduate. It's a no brainer.
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Depends on how simple your brain functions. Obama went to Harvard. How's that working out for you? Personally I don't care much for Maduro. But I respect him as the democratically elected President of that country. No angry mob is going subvert democracy like that. Its impermissible. Its natos wet dream. Take over 70% of Russian gas transit pipelines that lead to Europe and put a puppet mcpresident in the country with the largest petroleum reserves on the planet. Theyre practically salivating at the idea. Its not going to happen. You either like democracy or you don't. You can't fight for " democracy " by subverting the will of the majority through violence. If these rioters and their inept leaders really cared about democracy, they would work on changing their political platform to be more socially inclusive so as to win more votes in elections. But instead of that, they'd rather set fire to Caracas.

Imagine if everytime the republicans lost an election, they set fire to Washington DC. And then forced snap elections on the country, or else they burn everything down. That's not democracy, no matter how much you hate Maduro. That's mob rule. NATO countries wouldn't tolerate this in their countries. We've seen what they do to their protestors. But since this is happening in countries they are trying to flip, they go ahead and fund the radicals and put the MSM propaganda machine behind their " fighter". If you truly believe their narrative, that's your issue. I obviously don't.
 
jackbower said:
Depends on how simple your brain functions. Obama went to Harvard. How's that working out for you? Personally I don't care much for Maduro. But I respect him as the democratically elected President of that country. No angry mob is going subvert democracy like that. Its impermissible. Its natos wet dream. Take over 70% of Russian gas transit pipelines that lead to Europe and put a puppet mcpresident in the country with the largest petroleum reserves on the planet. Theyre practically salivating at the idea. Its not going to happen. You either like democracy or you don't. You can't fight for " democracy " by subverting the will of the majority through violence. If these rioters and their inept leaders really cared about democracy, they would work on changing their political platform to be more socially inclusive so as to win more votes in elections. But instead of that, they'd rather set fire to Caracas.

Imagine if everytime the republicans lost an election, they set fire to Washington DC. And then forced snap elections on the country, or else they burn everything down. That's not democracy, no matter how much you hate Maduro. That's mob rule. NATO countries wouldn't tolerate this in their countries. We've seen what they do to their protestors. But since this is happening in countries they are trying to flip, they go ahead and fund the radicals and put the MSM propaganda machine behind their " fighter". If you truly believe their narrative, that's your issue. I obviously don't.
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YES if the choice is between neoliberalism and Venezuela, Bolivia or Ecuador Government. systems not to mention Cuba the decision is pretty easy.
 
Another thought experiment because I think there are some weird definition of democracy and its implications around:

Lets assume I get elected as the next Argentine president (yay!!!). The day after I get elected, I start making some new laws, including:
- all private TV channels either shut down, or oblige to show reports from me showing how nice I am; criticism on the president are not allowed",
- prices are set by me and company are forced to sell to these prices or shut down; this might lead to people not having access to basic goods anymore
- any kind of protests may considered as acts of terrorism and I can let the police/army "remove" these people
- private property can be taken by the state "if it serves the countries interest"

Now, am I assuming correctly that the Argentines have to shut up for the next few years as I'm the democratic elected president and thus should be respected as such?
 
Rich One said:
YES if the choice is between neoliberalism and Venezuela, Bolivia or Ecuador Government. systems not to mention Cuba the decision is pretty easy.
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The choice isn't yours or mine. That choice belongs to the citizens of these countries. And they express their choices at the ballot box. I respect their right to vote in democratic elections. You should as well.
 
thorsten said:
Another thought experiment because I think there are some weird definition of democracy and its implications around:

Lets assume I get elected as the next Argentine president (yay!!!). The day after I get elected, I start making some new laws, including:
- all private TV channels either shut down, or oblige to show reports from me showing how nice I am; criticism on the president are not allowed",
- prices are set by me and company are forced to sell to these prices or shut down; this might lead to people not having access to basic goods anymore
- any kind of protests may considered as acts of terrorism and I can let the police/army "remove" these people
- private property can be taken by the state "if it serves the countries interest"

Now, am I assuming correctly that the Argentines have to shut up for the next few years as I'm the democratic elected president and thus should be respected as such?
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Why dont you stop assuming. This very same thing happened in the USA. What happened to Bush II and Obama? You know after the Patriot Act and secret FISA courts and secret judges and shredding of our constitution and such. Did Americans burn the country down? Did we hang Bush? We probably should, but that's another topic. No, we didn't. Some protested, others cheated on their taxes, 25% don't do much taxes anyway seeing as they are unemployed, but I digress. In democratic countries, mob rule is never an option. That is why we have elections. And also passports. Some people hate what the US is becoming, they don't burn the country down. They vote, and then vote some more, and when nothing changes, they either stop voting or they move. They don't plan violent insurrections.
 
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So your argument boils down to "same shit happened in other places, so let's accept it"?
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Thorsten, im not asking you to accept anything as I doubt you're Venezuelan. Think what you want.
 
What we have this morning is no longer the Venezuela story you thought you understood.
Throughout last night, panicked people told their stories of state-sponsored paramilitaries onmotorcycles roaming middle class neighborhoods, shooting at people and storming into apartment buildings, shooting at anyone who seemed like he might be protesting. People continue to be arrested merely for protesting...
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http://caracaschroni...e-game-changed/

How can this be seen as no big deal?

Motorcycle militias driving around shooting people. BA has motochorros who hop off the bike, grab a purse, and then hop back on. What if instead they drove around with Uzis, saw some people that looked too "upper-middle class" and so they shot them? Would that be a big deal?

You can see it here: http://ciudadbizarra...para-sensibles/ WARNING: Graphic Violence

This is a "democratically elected" corpse's puppet VP taking office and then into Assad under the direction of Cuba, because if Cuba loses access to Venezuela's oil, then it's over. And why is there a "REVOLUTION" in a democracy? And why does it last 14 years when the same party keeps "winning" elections while shutting out all opposing views? That's not a "revolution".
 
jackbower said:
The choice isn't yours or mine. That choice belongs to the citizens of these countries. And they express their choices at the ballot box. I respect their right to vote in democratic elections. You should as well.
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Maduro WON ? by a narrow margin. In the early 20th. Century the Feudal Patrones used to buy the peones vote by giving them a mattress or a blanket In the 21st. century the populistic rulers of a para-democracy, buy the votes by printing money and splurging Plans. So nothing changed :confused: :confused:
 
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