Terrorists Found In Argentina!

Matias,

The government should work for the people. The people should not work for the government.

I think you wrote someplace that your degree is sociology. It seems to me that the Argentine culture is very parochial. The people tend to wait for the government to tell them what to do. It is the same with employees - they generally sit and wait for the boss to tell them what they should do.

I was speaking with an Argentine friend of mine last night at dinner about the cult of personality in government here. Argentines seem to like big personalities as leaders (Perón, Evita, CFK) who they think will finally fix the country. They do not put their trust in the actual system of government. He looked at me and said, "You are right! ... I wonder who can save us from that?"

LOL. Do you think this is accurate?

Ideally, both work for each other. Argentina's problem is its capricious hyper-personalized politics and absence of institutionality. Nobody in Chile talks of bacheletismo, but everybody in Argentina is obsessed with Peronismo, cristinismo, macrismo, massismo, menemismo, etc., ad nauseam...
 
Matias,

The government should work for the people. The people should not work for the government.

I think you wrote someplace that your degree is sociology. It seems to me that the Argentine culture is very parochial. The people tend to wait for the government to tell them what to do. It is the same with employees - they generally sit and wait for the boss to tell them what they should do.

I was speaking with an Argentine friend of mine last night at dinner about the cult of personality in government here. Argentines seem to like big personalities as leaders (Perón, Evita, CFK) who they think will finally fix the country. They do not put their trust in the actual system of government. He looked at me and said, "You are right! ... I wonder who can save us from that?"

LOL. Do you think this is accurate?

Agree.

There is a big difference with Europe and the US, regarding institutions in politics. We dont have the same isntitutions here, we are not ruled 100% by them, instead we have personalismos, you know, like Russia, or like the arab countries. Its not better or worse, just different, it is another way of understanding politics. Sarmiento, an argentine hero, wrote of argentine caudillos instead of institutions, of leaning in the irrational, on the emotions (charismatic leaders and not a bureaucratic relationship) rather than in a rational institution.
His famous book is called "civilizacion o barbarie", translated something like "civilization or brutality".

It comes from colonial times I think, from catholic, parrochial and delayed Spain, as oposed to modern England & France.

This paternalistic relationship has to do also with EL CAMPO, like the owner of the land, the chief and its relationships with the gauchos giving them some protection, like owning them. The men in the campo are the ignorant, uneducated, the undomesticated that solve every problem by shooting, also savage, wild... that is "el hombre de campo"... irrational. And that, says Sarmiento, prevails in politics, in the figure of the caudillo, as oposed to the city, well informed people, refined sophistication, control of emotions, education, institutions, etc

Peronismo, for instance, is totally irrational. In fact, their social base came from el campo

So Argentina has this fight between the rationalism of its institutions and the relationship with its leaders, more personal, what lots of analysts say, is that this rational order failed.
 
Matias,

The government should work for the people. The people should not work for the government.

I think this is one of the key steps of good governance, regardless of your politics, conservative, liberal, socialist, nationalist, etc.

Existential Political Philosophy's most common question is "What is the role of the State?" Different politics leads to different answers, but the common answer seems to be the Social Contract and the basics of forming a society/leaving the jungle. You do not need to be the judge, jury and executioner because if you fulfill your role in society and pay taxes someone else will pave the roads, put out fires, fight crime, etc.

I think Argentina's biggest issue is that only one side is fulfilling the Social Contract, the people, and this is why so many people don't trust any government, K or otherwise. If you can't keep the lights on in the summer, if you can't be sure that you're not going to be robbed in or outside your home, if you can't save your salary for house or new car in your nation's currency then people will feel violated, and in turn begin to stop fulfilling their role in the social contract. You will save in "illegal" acquired dollars, you'll pay in cash to avoid paying taxes, you'll smuggle in electronics to save money, you'll fight back against thieves because you know the police won't come.

Louis The XIV of France is said to have uttered the phrase "L'État, c'est moi". When you have this belief in government as opposed to "Nous sommes l'état" you get Argentina: a country bordering on the point of every man for himself and take everything that isn't nailed down.
 
Completely unprofessional. If you are going to threaten / accuse make damn sure you have your facts straight and you can follow through. But, this government doesn't let facts get in the way of anything.
 
Completely unprofessional. If you are going to threaten / accuse make damn sure you have your facts straight and you can follow through. But, this government doesn't let facts get in the way of anything.

Nobody ever expected professionalism from these people. It was simply silly on the face of it, and they made themselves look ridiculous.
 
Never let facts mess up a long and ranting speech. If you don't have facts just say it louder.
 
Agree.

Peronismo, for instance, is totally irrational. In fact, their social base came from el campo

So Argentina has this fight between the rationalism of its institutions and the relationship with its leaders, more personal, what lots of analysts say, is that this rational order failed.

Since when are Argentine "institutions" "rational?"
 
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