The pandemic: The view after 5 months

[Somewhereinba]

Adults may not be the only Covid 'long haulers.' Some kids still have symptoms, months after falling ill | CNN

Parents whose children have been battling symptoms as diverse as fatigue, breathlessness, chest pains, diarrhea and "covid toes" for weeks after suspected Covid-19 infection say there is little help to guide their kids' recovery.

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‘It was chaos!’ Students get suspended for posting pictures of packed halls — now the high school is closing after 9 people were infected

Last week, pictures of maskless students crowding the hall of Georgia’s freshly reopened North Paulding High School went viral and raised questions all over...

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Israel's schools reopened and Covid-19 cases started rising | CNN

During the first few months of the pandemic, Israel was praised for its response to the coronavirus but after the country reopened its schools, it has seen a surge in outbreaks. CNN's Elliott Gotkine reports.

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The debate is over as far as I am concerned.

LOL at posting CNN articles to try prove your point.. Sorry but science isn't based on fear mongering - I asked for specific studies with large sample sizes. Sweden never closed schools - now they are averaging between 0 and 1 deaths a day lol.. Surely if in your theory kids are super spreaders then their cases would be way way higher no?

How about Norway?

Norway was among the first countries in Europe to open up nursery schools on April 20, followed by schools for the youngest pupils, between ages six and 10, the following week.

"We have so far not seen that opening nurseries and schools have had a negative effect on the infection situation," Frode Forland, a senior official from the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, told a daily press briefing.

"If the opening would have had a negative effect we would have begun to see that in an increased number of infections," Forland added.

The situation is very clear - if you have mass widespread infection rates in a local community then schools/nurseries etc should NOT be open because the virus will transfer anyway (Israel opened schools too quickly and for older kids instead of younger only). However where there is minimal community infection there is simply no reason not to open pre-schools etc as proven by both Sweden and Norway who now have the lowest case counts in the world. My problem is the city I live has not had more than 5 cases per day in the city since the pandemic started yet schools/preschools have all been closed since then. This is stupid - especially when as I said buses are full, restaurants are open, people are working in Government buildings in close proximity etc.

BTW still laughing at using your Uruguay example..

In late April, Uruguay reopened schools in rural areas, where the student population is small. In early June, it brought vulnerable student groups, which were struggling to access online learning, and high school seniors back into classrooms. Then all students in non-urban areas went back to classrooms.

Finally, on June 29, 256,000 students in the capital of Montevideo returned to school. An alternating schedule of in-person and virtual instruction reduces the number of students in classrooms at one time.

Since June 29 when 256,000 kids went back to school there has been no noticeable increase in cases in Uruguay or deaths related to the schools opening. Amazing isn't it? The problem is the Governments here are simply too stupid to come up with a targeted plan that treats communities individually rather than treating the whole country as a single entity and applying the same brush to every single city/town.

 

[gracielle]

Tras reunirse con el Presidente, Horacio Rodríguez Larreta evalúa postergar parte de las nuevas aperturas

Tras reunirse con el Presidente, Horacio Rodríguez Larreta evalúa postergar parte de las nuevas aperturas

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10 August 2020 at 9:24pm
After meeting with the President, Horacio Rodríguez Larreta pauses most of the new openings
The City will pause the schedule of openings and flexibilities that it had planned. During the next two weeks only a few sports activities will be incorporated and some shops will be opened, but nothing more. That was what President Alberto Fernández and the head of the Buenos Aires government, Horacio Rodríguez Larreta , resolved this afternoon .

Concerned about the evolution of the disease, the President asked him to wait 15 more days to continue with his plan. Rodríguez Larreta accepted the request, which is in line with the projections made by the Buenos Aires Minister of Health, Fernán Quirós. Is that, according to the official in the next two weeks the contagion curve will begin to fall in the city.....

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[sts7049]

15 more days. then 15 more after that. total nonsense.

the idea that contagion is suddenly now going to reduce is complete insanity

 

[antipodean]

Ok kids, as your reward for doing the dishes you can play paddle outside once a week. But don’t forget, you’re still grounded.

At this rate of self-serving political decision making, we can forget about summer. It will just slide on by outside our windows like Autumn, Winter and Spring did.

 

[Pensador]

LOL at posting CNN articles to try prove your point.. Sorry but science isn't based on fear mongering - I asked for specific studies with large sample sizes. Sweden never closed schools - now they are averaging between 0 and 1 deaths a day lol.. Surely if in your theory kids are super spreaders then their cases would be way way higher no?

How about Norway?



The situation is very clear - if you have mass widespread infection rates in a local community then schools/nurseries etc should NOT be open because the virus will transfer anyway (Israel opened schools too quickly and for older kids instead of younger only). However where there is minimal community infection there is simply no reason not to open pre-schools etc as proven by both Sweden and Norway who now have the lowest case counts in the world. My problem is the city I live has not had more than 5 cases per day in the city since the pandemic started yet schools/preschools have all been closed since then. This is stupid - especially when as I said buses are full, restaurants are open, people are working in Government buildings in close proximity etc.

BTW still laughing at using your Uruguay example..

Since June 29 when 256,000 kids went back to school there has been no noticeable increase in cases in Uruguay or deaths related to the schools opening. Amazing isn't it? The problem is the Governments here are simply too stupid to come up with a targeted plan that treats communities individually rather than treating the whole country as a single entity and applying the same brush to every single city/town.

Oh I wish with all my heart you are right and I am wrong but sadly it is not the case. You can rant to Kingdom come it won't change anything. It is what it is.

 

[Alby]

I do not understand why Larreta goes so hard on tennis and golf. Why not prioritize business, like restaurants being able to trade outdoors for example. Get that through first, and then push for leisure activities in a later round. Putting the latter up front only plays into Kicillof's narrative.

 

[Dougie]

I do not understand why Larreta goes so hard on tennis and golf. Why not prioritize business, like restaurants being able to trade outdoors for example. Get that through first, and then push for leisure activities in a later round. Putting the latter up front only plays into Kicillof's narrative.

It's an outdoor activity where participants can easily keep lots of distance. Outdoor restaurants are higher risk.

 

[Alby]

Be that as it may, I don't think, politically, it is a good look.

 

[antipodean]

Smoke, cheap-politics and propaganda. If provincia can’t have nice things, neither can you lest people ask questions.

If I understood correctly, Larreta was pushing Alberto for more (including outdoor restaurants, as per the plan of CABA that was already published) but walked out of the meeting in Olivos yesterday only with tennis and golf (activities that should never have been banned to begin with, like rowing or other individual outdoor sports...)

 

[Alby]

Precisely. Went in with soft options and more important options, and came out only with the soft options, the soft options which the same oficialism that approved them will now use against him in the class warfare strategy. Bad move.