The Use Of The Word, "lynching" In The Media.

[Rich One]

The argentine poverty is rare and has lots of bonds, historically, with the state. Thats why we have huge social plans now (NOTHING COMPARED TO EUROPEAN STATES! - I know that Spain up to 2008 had a lot of social plans heavier than us). Poverty is relatively under control, we re not in 2002 or 2003 now.
It is a poverty with mobility, actually. You can see the Directv anthens in the villas, for instance. There is some kind of porgress to these people. Thats why we need a big state, of we have some retired state, argentine society explodes, informal job enters, poverty, unemployment, etc. Health and education fortunately is free in this country, I dont see a problem with that. Some (not all!) public hospitals are very good. The same with school, although I think I wont send my kids if I have to a public school, at least not to primaria. But then for high school you have the Pellegrini or the Nacional Buenos Aires, and then the UBA, totally free. I like it to be porous, open to everyone.

Generally the ones that rob are young and on drugs. They dont are afrais of being killed by the police. As I said their life value nothing, so if they get that from society, they already have the no, so why dont go and get stuff violently? they have nothing to loose.
They recieve nothing but stigmatization.


Just trying to think the reasons why they robbed, The Tv and the media in general will try to sell you that they are bad guys, while CEOs and maffious politicians, or corrupted bussinessmen are the ones we must admire.

Matias don't generalize about the media distorting reality, some of us watch 678 and know that is Magneto who is behind all this stigmatizing young law abiding family individuals

 

[ajoknoblauch]

With "Soccer for Everybody," how can there be social victims?

 

[Redpossum]

I was saying that poverty in Argentina is heavy influenced by the kind of State we have, poverty in Arg depends a lot of the government, if its a big state or not. Saying that we dont have poverty, as you said, that there are no poor people in Argentina, is way more provocative than what I said. We have 30% or 25% of Argentine population under the poverty line.

OK, but at this point, what percentage of the US population is under the poverty line? The Spanish population? Greek? Portugese? Irish?

There's a world-wide economic crisis underway, bro; the worst since 1934. Many of your points are at last partially valid, but make some allowances for the fact that the whole world is jodido right now.

 

[gusgutier]

If everyone had their needs covered, why should robbery exist? what for? you would not have the necesity!!

Theorical. There was robbery and killings in all socialists countries. What is your "needs fullfillied "? It´s differennt to every person. If I need every sock in the world for never wash them ? You didn´t read attentively the profiles I offered.

 

[Matiasba]

Theorical. There was robbery and killings in all socialists countries. What is your "needs fullfillied "? It´s differennt to every person. If I need every sock in the world for never wash them ? You didn´t read attentively the profiles I offered.

i did read them, Is just I dont think robbery is a mental illness, or at least agree with Foucault that these is decided by the power centres of our society. Anyway, I think I agree that there will always be this impulse to rob, we are all different and thats the main cause.

 

[Matiasba]

OK, but at this point, what percentage of the US population is under the poverty line? The Spanish population? Greek? Portugese? Irish?

There's a world-wide economic crisis underway, bro; the worst since 1934. Many of your points are at last partially valid, but make some allowances for the fact that the whole world is jodido right now.

There are different ways to measure poverty, in all of them, Spain, Greece, Portugal, the US, etc, are better than Argentina. Dont know about Greece.

 

[EricLovesBA]

If everyone had their needs covered, why should robbery exist? what for? you would not have the necesity!!

This type of robbery and violence is not necessarily about being poor. It is more about being disenfranchised, or adopting the outlaw mentality. I think of it more like a subculture. They have not accepted the mainstream social contract and if you are not part of their culture, you are an outsider. A lack of value for property is closely related to lack of value for another person's time (spent creating or earning the property), their dreams, and a general lack of respect for life. An inability to see beyond yourself. It's about objectifying others, and a highly inflated sense of entitlement. I know many poor people who do not lack the ability to respect property, to have empathy, or to respect life. If you can maintain a moto then I imagine you can likely cover the basic necessities of life.

 

[dennisr]

I agreed with what CFK said, somebody who is the waste of these societies, someone whos actual life value is 2 pesos, someone who is treated every day in every moment as the worst people, that dont have ANYTHING, not a house, not a bed to sleep, they hardly eat every day, they beg in the streets, they are condemned to a miserable life, by whom? by all of us.

Have to really question the empathy the President has for the poor of Argentina. In my view, she pimps the poor for her own selfish political agenda. Argentina spends a billion on "Football For All", which is suppose to do what for improving the quality of life for the impoverished? Anything that comes out of that woman's mouth is suspect.

 

[Matiasba]

This type of robbery and violence is not necessarily about being poor. It is more about being disenfranchised, or adopting the outlaw mentality. I think of it more like a subculture. They have not accepted the mainstream social contract and if you are not part of their culture, you are an outsider. A lack of value for property is closely related to lack of value for another person's time (spent creating or earning the property), their dreams, and a general lack of respect for life. An inability to see beyond yourself. It's about objectifying others, and a highly inflated sense of entitlement. I know many poor people who do not lack the ability to respect property, to have empathy, or to respect life. If you can maintain a moto then I imagine you can likely cover the basic necessities of life.

the moto is probably robbed as well!!

 

[gusgutier]

i did read them, Is just I dont think robbery is a mental illness, or at least agree with Foucault that these is decided by the power centres of our society. Anyway, I think I agree that there will always be this impulse to rob, we are all different and thats the main cause.

" I dont think robbery is a mental illness" Me too, it ´s just one of the conditions to commit crime. There are oyhers.
" agree with Foucault that these is decided by the power centres of our society." No, It´s established by social "discours", no the same as central power.
" think I agree that there will always be this impulse to rob" No, there is no innate impulse to rob. Long to explain, but children before 4 y.o. tend to take things from other children but there is no a defined difference "me-not me" at that age. Maturity includes the definition of self and others.