To the critics with no opinion of their own

[jazrgz]

Very simple. im a local.
Menem=Kirchner in terms of corruption and total lack of respect of our consitution and also, and most importantly, in the fact that their main goal into getting in the presidency was to grow richer and more powerful. They were both very successfull in this selfless goal. please, if any kirchner defender can deny this fact (dont think so) and if not at least come out and say it very loudly and clear, im ok with this It would be great (im yet to find a K that acknowledges this, they rather pretend is not real and change subject)
Kirchner controlled for several years the congress, the judicial branch (still does), the federal police and the buenos aires police (one of the largest corruption pools only can be controlled by the baddest of them all and still controles it - aka kirchner), the executive branch (this goes without saying of course, all ministers on this branch have been reduced to mear puppets who will do and say as they´re told word by word. Whoever dares to even speak a word different will be kicked out automatically) and for quite sometime now K has unleashed a fiercefull battle against the media in order to control it all (luckily has not succeded..regardless clarin´s reputation and history, i much rather have a voice of discent than a real monopolized media that would again, do and say as told (6,7,8 being the perfect example - again, any K´s out there, please speak up on this and say out loud how independent and free of speach this "show" is)
Kirchner followers and the equivalent to Menem´s followers 20 years ago. Defend their heroes blindly conveniently overseeing their corruption, their obvscene bank accounts and impunity that protects them.
Back in the 90´s ppl would say argentina was doing great because everyone was able to travel abroad all over the world (how can we not be ok if come summer everbody goes to europe, us, Asi or brazil). Now adays i hear a lot about the record in car sales (how can we not be ok if cars are being sold like candy)
Well, i have a better than average salary and in now way i can afford a brand new car (me or most ppls i know in the same salary range, cant even imagine ppls with average salary or less which in this country that millions upon millions). This fact only leads me to believe that the richer are getting richer, the have more money to waste and so they get a new car i guess or two, who knows.
a basic VW gol, which is about the cheapest new car you can get it goes for about 42K (average monthly salary being what, 2500 pesos at most?) !! Can anyone honestly say that everyone is getting new cars ???
There are still children dying of hunger up in the north !!!!!!!!! (that´s completaly lack of interest, there´s no other explanation to it, please K´s, again, elaborate as to how impossible is to keep this from happening and despite Kirchner´s best intentions he cannot do anything about it). He´s got hundreds of millions to spend on expanding his "loyal" followers, but he cannot spare a fraction of that money for a real cause that needs solving now !
Hugo Moyano !! (no further comments needed)
Drug dealing has never in our history been so prosper and thriving !! I guess some areas are doing great !! :S (the fact that our borders are being kept wide open in land, air and water and huge factors among many others of course. this being a clear policy of this administration, guarding our borders would be offensive to our neighbor countries (and would be a huge hurdle to the prosperity of the previously mentioned thriving area)
INDEK ???????? another one that needs no commenting- please try to defend its shameless manipulation
The list goes on and on endlessly, im at work and i gotta get back to it

 

[gouchobob]

The USA has been designed to collapse and the writing is on the wall from all angles . Facts are presented below
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...utered-defanged-declawed-and-deindustrialized


The following are 21 signs that the once great U.S. economy is being gutted, neutered, defanged, declawed and deindustrialized....
#1 The U.S. trade deficit with the rest of the world rose to 497.8 billion dollars in 2010. That represented a 32.8% increase from 2009.
#2 The U.S. trade deficit with China rose to an all-time record of 273.1 billion dollars in 2010. This is the largest trade deficit that one nation has had with another nation in the history of the world.
#3 The U.S. trade deficit with China in 2010 was 27 times larger than it was back in 1990.
#4 In the years since 1975, the United States had run a total trade deficit of 7.5 trillion dollars with the rest of the world.
#5 The United States spends more than 4 dollars on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.
#6 In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of all U.S. economic output. In 2008, it represented only 11.5 percent and it continues to fall.
#7 The number of net jobs gained by the U.S. economy during this past decade was smaller than during any other decade since World War 2.
#8 The Bureau of Labor Statistics originally predicted that the U.S. economy would create approximately 22 million jobs during the decade of the 2000s, but it turns out that the U.S. economy only produced about 7 million jobs during that time period.
#9 Japan now manufactures about 5 million more automobiles than the United States does.
#10 China has now become the world's largest exporter of high technology products.
#11 Manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry is actually lower in 2010 than it was in 1975.
#12 The United States now has 10 percent fewer "middle class jobs" than it did just ten years ago.
#13 According to Tax Notes, between 1999 and 2008 employment at the foreign affiliates of U.S. parent companies increased an astounding 30 percent to 10.1 million. During that exact same time period, U.S. employment at American multinational corporations declined 8 percent to 21.1 million.
#14 Back in 1970, 25 percent of all jobs in the United States were manufacturing jobs. Today, only 9 percent of the jobs in the United States are manufacturing jobs.
#15 Back in 1998, the United States had 25 percent of the world’s high-tech export market and China had just 10 percent. Ten years later, the United States had less than 15 percent and China's share had soared to 20 percent.
#16 The number of Americans that have become so discouraged that they have given up searching for work completely now stands at an all-time high.
#17 Half of all American workers now earn $505 or less per week.
#18 The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.
#19 Since 2001, over 42,000 U.S. factories have closed down for good.
#20 In 2008, 1.2 billion cellphones were sold worldwide. So how many of them were manufactured inside the United States? Zero.
#21 Ten years ago, the "employment rate" in the United States was about 64%. Since then it has been constantly declining and now the "employment rate" in the United States is only about 58%. So where did all of those jobs go?

This is all from a website dedicated to selling gold, silver, and survival products, so of course they try to paint as black a picture as possible, after all they are trying to sell you something based on fear.

This whole list is designed to create fear over something that's been going on for a long time, i.e. manufacturing has gone overseas to low cost markets. The trade deficits are large but I believe this imbalance will be resolved and balanced over time and in fact we should see signs of it beginning shrink this year. The main problem has been China's keeping their currency undervalued. This can't go on much longer and the Chinese will have to revalue their currency upward or face very high inflation. The future for the U.S. is not as dire as they or Perry want you to believe.

I will predict now that the U.S. economy will do much better over the next couple of years than expected and that the Argentine economy will do a lot worse than expected.

 

[dr__dawggy]

This is all from a website dedicated to selling gold, silver, and survival products, so of course they try to paint as black a picture as possible, after all they are trying to sell you something based on fear.

This whole list is designed to create fear over something that's been going on for a long time, i.e. manufacturing has gone overseas to low cost markets. The trade deficits are large but I believe this imbalance will be resolved and balanced over time and in fact we should see signs of it beginning shrink this year. The main problem has been China's keeping their currency undervalued. This can't go on much longer and the Chinese will have to revalue their currency upward or face very high inflation. The future for the U.S. is not as dire as they or Perry want you to believe.

I will predict now that the U.S. economy will do much better over the next couple of years than expected and that the Argentine economy will do a lot worse than expected.

One of the best decisions I have made was to stand pat with my US investments rather than cashing in at a loss and buying gold. This said, the issues raised by Perry and the "buy gold" site from which he quotes contain some troubling points that must be addressed. In addition, the federal deficit is worrisome and unsustainable.

Even so, the US economy is much more resilient than critics imagine.

 

[jaredwb]

Regardless of where you stand this will always be a fact:

No matter what challenges face the U.S., debt, unemployment, etc. The people of the U.S. will stand up, demand a return to sanity, and things will get better. The U.S. will as always, recover and surpass any other country on earth in prosperity and wealth. It's who we are.

Argentina, unfortunately, will never be anything more than a black hole for anyone stupid enough to invest here. The people will do nothing except complain and make ridiculous excuses for a Government that openly fucks them over (but do nothing). And in the end, Argentina will be lucky to be among any of the leading economic countries in the Region. It's who you are.

 

[nikad]

Like I said Nobody Lost Anything, do your homework!

If market conditions caused the value of your money to go down, how is it the president of Argentina's fault? That is called bad timing. I had money in a 401K plan in the USA and that decreased significantly in value, so should I blame Obama? It's all related to the economic downturn and the times.......period. Not the president of this or any other country.

People might have or not lost any money, but DID lose their right to choose what to do with their retirement money and where to invest it. If dictatorial ways are ok with you it is fine, I dor one do not like any government touching my money and doing whatever they want with it, even if that means a profit in $ terms, I rather live in democracy and be able to choose.

 

[nikad]

Regardless of where you stand this will always be a fact:

No matter what challenges face the U.S., debt, unemployment, etc. The people of the U.S. will stand up, demand a return to sanity, and things will get better. The U.S. will as always, recover and surpass any other country on earth in prosperity and wealth. It's who we are.

Argentina, unfortunately, will never be anything more than a black hole for anyone stupid enough to invest here. The people will do nothing except complain and make ridiculous excuses for a Government that openly fucks them over (but do nothing). And in the end, Argentina will be lucky to be among any of the leading economic countries in the Region. It's who you are.

Dunno what you have smoked but it sounds like a helluva drug!

 

[Mitch]

This to ALL of the haters out there. If you don't like the Kirchner's politics that totally cool, and your right as a human being. But why not make some comments based on your own research as opposed to following what others say and something you may have read in the newspaper or on the internet but has never been proven. It's really easy to do that and shows how little intelligence some people have. Is the Kirchner administration perfect? no, and nobody claims it is. Have they done a lot of good for the country? yes how about focusing on the positive, housing, healthcare, marriage equality, promoting families and international relations?

Also, anybody who dares to take the risk of trying to run a country that has been through so much drama in the past 50 years, has my vote. Néstor (epd) and Cristina have guts and conviction, and those are values that most people don't have. I take my hat off to them for that and the other positive things they have done for Argentina! Viva Cristina!

Why so angry? People have a right to express their opinions as they feel. Change can´t happen without dissension, and those people obviously feel change is the order of the day.

My honest guess is you are trying to brown nose a government for some illegal circumstance. Not paying taxes, overstaying your welcome, or something of that nature. I don´t have a right to vote here, so I don´t bother myself with it too much unless something strikes me odd and offends me such as your post. Maybe they will let you in on the next land deal where you can buy in for pennies and sell for millions.

Dude, that was a sad post!

 

[Guillo]

Argentina, unfortunately, will never be anything more than a black hole for anyone stupid enough to invest here. The people will do nothing except complain and make ridiculous excuses for a Government that openly fucks them over (but do nothing). And in the end, Argentina will be lucky to be among any of the leading economic countries in the Region. It's who you are.

I think I've already posted my opinions about the current government in this thread, and I'm not going to repeat that. I sincerely believe that Peronistas are the worst thing that happened to Argentina. They are a bunch of corrupt thieves. They've always been like that. A lot of people don't care about it as long as they do fine.

On the other hand, I keep reading this kind of messages from you, and keep wondering, why are you still related in any way to Argentina. Is it the Choripanes? A S.O that lives here? I'm genuinely interested.

And another thing that surprises me, is that a lot of people keep expecting that things will work the same way they work in the US, when its clear that its a different country, with different expectations, and a different way of doing things (note that I'm not saying better way). Just the difference between the lawsuit easy, huge payoffs, everyone for themselves model of the US will color the society and the way it works, the same way that strong unions, corrupt government and mafia has affected in many ways how Argentina works.

 

[jaredwb]

Dunno what you have smoked but it sounds like a helluva drug!

Well, all my drugs aside....Show me where I am wrong. I expect you won't be able to show any facts to prove otherwise, so let's all get together and smoke a few...

 

[nikad]

Well, all my drugs aside....Show me where I am wrong. I expect you won't be able to show any facts to prove otherwise, so let's all get together and smoke a few...

I have no facts, just like you don´t have either. Unless you have special powers and can predict exactly what the futur will bring... were you able to predict 9/11? And this huge collapse in the US economy? Were you able to predict it when Kennedy was shot? All your thoughts are besed in past facts, some drugs make you believe you can guess the future Any history book will prove that no empire or country grow forever, always and never are big absolutes