Updated COVID restrictions on circulation

[FrankPintor]

Cómo fue la trastienda política de la decisión de Rodríguez Larreta de mantener las clases presenciales y reforzar su ofensiva contra Alberto Fernández en la Corte

El jefe de Gobierno entendió que el fallo de la justicia federal violaba conceptos básicos del derecho y concedía al Presidente un triunfo personal que afectaba su propia imagen pública en la Ciudad de Buenos Aires

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Correction to the above, the judge that made a ruling yesterday was just a Federal judge and not the Supreme Court. Thus CABA will ignore his judgement since the Supreme Court had already declared its jurisdiction over the matter and thus any other ruling is invalid.

Classes continue until further notice.

Quién es Esteban Furnari, el juez federal que ordenó el cierre de las escuelas

Una serie de irregularidades rodearon su designación como juez federal subrogante

www.lanacion.com.ar

Every Tom, Dick, and judge Harry seems to want to opine on this topic. As you say, this particular Dick's opinion is irrelevant, as are in reality the local judgements until now, I assume it's CABA shopping for judges again. There were rumours of the supreme court giving its judgement by April 30, let's see.

 

[antipodean]

Caos de tránsito en Panamericana y otros accesos a Provincia por controles del Gobierno bonaerense

Desde las 7 de esta mañana, efectivos de la policía provincial instalaron retenes, cortando carriles y dejando unos pocos liberados. A los conductores se les toma la temperatura. Se trata de un “control sanitario”

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For anyone planning on driving this weekend between the city and province... Axel Kicillof, who was lobbying for a return to phase 1 lockdown, has taken it upon himself to create some arbitrary "sanitary controls" between CABA and Provincia that are causing traffic chaos - obviously only for those coming from CABA, provincianos remain free to catch and spread their virus at their leisure within their province.

(While I agree it is better to stay home if possible at the moment, if politicians must infringe on peoples free movement it should at least be supported by a clear and evenly applied policy with a clear objective and scientific evidence to back it up. Enough of these fruitless political PR stunts in the name of health!)

 

[sts7049]

just goes to show that none of this nonsense really has any basis in fact, nor is it actually going to reduce infections

 

[¡Sencillamente yo!]

Caos de tránsito en Panamericana y otros accesos a Provincia por controles del Gobierno bonaerense

Desde las 7 de esta mañana, efectivos de la policía provincial instalaron retenes, cortando carriles y dejando unos pocos liberados. A los conductores se les toma la temperatura. Se trata de un “control sanitario”

www.infobae.com

For anyone planning on driving this weekend between the city and province... Axel Kicillof, who was lobbying for a return to phase 1 lockdown, has taken it upon himself to create some arbitrary "sanitary controls" between CABA and Provincia that are causing traffic chaos - obviously only for those coming from CABA, provincianos remain free to catch and spread their virus at their leisure within their province.

(While I agree it is better to stay home if possible at the moment, if politicians must infringe on peoples free movement it should at least be supported by a clear and evenly applied policy with a clear objective and scientific evidence to back it up. Enough of these fruitless political PR stunts in the name of health!)

Great reason not to own a car.

 

[antipodean]

Por unanimidad la Corte fallará en contra de la suspensión de las clases presenciales en la Ciudad de Buenos Aires ordenada por Alberto Fernández

Es la respuesta del máximo tribunal a una presentación realizada por Rodríguez Larreta que alegó la inconstitucionalidad de un DNU que prohibió la educación en las aulas de la Capital Federal y el conurbano

www.infobae.com

Supreme Court rule unanimously in favor of CABA (and the provinces) of maintaining autonomy over education and the right to education prevailing even during this emergency. Presencial classes will continue in the city unless decided otherwise by the city government.

The court also found that the national government was acting politically when making the invalid decree to suspend presencial education and that there was no sanitary/ scientific evidence to support it’s necessity.

 

[Somewhereinba]

Por unanimidad la Corte fallará en contra de la suspensión de las clases presenciales en la Ciudad de Buenos Aires ordenada por Alberto Fernández

Es la respuesta del máximo tribunal a una presentación realizada por Rodríguez Larreta que alegó la inconstitucionalidad de un DNU que prohibió la educación en las aulas de la Capital Federal y el conurbano

www.infobae.com

Supreme Court rule unanimously in favor of CABA (and the provinces) of maintaining autonomy over education and the right to education prevailing even during this emergency. Presencial classes will continue in the city unless decided otherwise by the city government.

The court also found that the national government was acting politically when making the invalid decree to suspend presencial education and that there was no sanitary/ scientific evidence to support it’s necessity.

Good - kids have suffered enough through this shit.. The poorest have suffered the worst - for many children school is a 'break' from a troubled life at home. Not only that its important kids socialise and pass germs to each other if they want an immune system that functions properly as an adult.

 

[FrankPintor]

I find it amazing that anyone would compare COVID to passing germs around as if it was just another "little flu". Even if children generally don't show symptoms (and this is important, see later *) they can pass the virus onto other kids, to their families and to their teachers and their families too. Not to mention that the long term effects of COVID on children are only beginning to be understood. For the adults infected in this way, the consequences range from headache and sniffles, through 2 weeks of fever, nausea and significant weight loss, to spending 10 days on oxygen in a hospital (nobody I know personally has actually died yet, fortunately). I believe that after the initial COVID infection your risk of dying is 60% higher.

* no or light symptoms means no testing, so no statistics, no contact tracing means people who are infected through schools are not included in school statistics, and all the pontification about how schools are not a focus of infection are quite simply BS. It's a political football, as much as internally in the opposition, as between government and opposition, nothing to do with health. Are the senior members of the CABA government sending their kids to school? I've heard that they're not. The language of CABA regarding schools is amazing cynical, schools function as "centres of early detection", I guess much like canaries in mines. Guess what happened to the canaries when the oxygen ran out?

And, of course, CABA is still stalling vaccinations for teachers. No, this is not a plea for special treatment, no matter the regard teachers might be held in here, it's exactly what https://www.buenosaires.gob.ar/coronavirus/datos/vacunacion said:



While COVID cases have plateaued and are decreasing in both CABA and the province of Buenos Aires, the plateau was reached at least one week sooner in the province than in CABA. And given that deaths come later, this is what we have now (according to the La Nación monitor):




Still increasing in CABA. So, for all the sniping, the provincial government is obviously doing something better than the CABA government. I wonder what it could be? Possibly that the restrictions in CABA are basically for politics and show?

 

[Alpinista]

Are the senior members of the CABA government sending their kids to school? I've heard that they're not. The language of CABA regarding schools is amazing cynical, schools function as "centres of early detection", I guess much like canaries in mines. Guess what happened to the canaries when the oxygen ran out?

Could you quote something on that? I would indeed be very surprised if they did not send their kids to school. In fact, the vast majority of the parents want to have their kids in school.

What is - however - well documented is that Kiciloff (that's the governor of the province who is lobbying hard to have closed as much as possible) sent his kid to school in CABA. So much about cynism.

 

[Alpinista]

While COVID cases have plateaued and are decreasing in both CABA and the province of Buenos Aires, the plateau was reached at least one week sooner in the province than in CABA. And given that deaths come later, this is what we have now (according to the La Nación monitor):

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Still increasing in CABA. So, for all the sniping, the provincial government is obviously doing something better than the CABA government. I wonder what it could be? Possibly that the restrictions in CABA are basically for politics and show?

If you look at the cases (not the death), I fail to see a big difference in the development / trend of province and CABA (also according to La Nacion):

 

[FrankPintor]

If you look at the cases (not the death), I fail to see a big difference in the development / trend of province and CABA (also according to La Nacion):

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The plateau in the province is from about 16.04, while in CABA it's from approx. 23.04 (not so much a plateau as a peak, I admit). So a week earlier in the province, more or less.

I submit that the deaths are a bit more important. And yes, I know there are factors to muddy the waters, patients from the province might be treated or dying in hospitals in CABA and so on, But still, the difference in the evolution in the COVID deaths in CABA and the province is startling, wouldn't you agree?