URGENT!!! CUIL & Residencia Precaria

steveinbsas said:
I used to think so, too, but once you have a visa rentista you can get a DNI and then all the doors seem to open...


And even without the DNI, once you have a resident visa, getting a CUIT is automatic and a CUIL is also possible.

Definitely between a rock & a hard place. So in what ORDER should these things happen? Work contract then Visa Application then Work, or Visa Application then Work? Wowzers. This is confusing.

What TYPE of visa is easiest to obtain? It seems like the resident visa, right?
 
mini said:
Gonzo, why can't they offer you a work contract? You need to work contract to apply for the residencia percaria.

I was under the impression you couldn't work on a visa rentista. It that not true?

To be honest with you, I don't know why they can't offer me a work contract (precontrato). She told me many other major IT companies don't offer it either. That a bulk of their employees (although mostly foreigners anyways) have prior work experience in BsAs, meaning they already have the necessary documents. She also gave me an example of some French guy that was in my same situation. He temporarily worked for another company (I assume at least until they gave him a visa) then he jumped ship to this company. I would do that too, but can't seem to get my foot in the door...

She is willing to wait for me even though I am new here & I don't have the documents. Simply put, I need to apply for something, anything, the easiest thing, in order to get the damn numbers necessary to work.
 
steveinbsas said:
If you haven't submitted the papers to migraciones you are not in tramites.

If if you don't have work contract why would migraciones give give you a work visa?

You can't get a CUIL without a work visa (residencia preciaria).

You are actually between a rock and a very hard place.

Welcome to Argentina.

PS: Your Argentine criminal report is not issued at the local comisaria, and even if you applied for it at the correct location, if you don't pick it up within two weeks it will be void and you will have to apply for a new one.

lol, thanks for the welcome. Ok now I know I am not in "tramites", I am simply confused. Apparently I don't even know how to use these terms.

Ok so I guess at this point I can't get a WORK visa, so is there any other visa I am eligible for? Anything that is easier to apply for? I guess all I need is the DNI number, by any means necessary.

I applied for Argentine criminal report December 1st, they told me it would be ready in a month (Jan 1st). I have planned going next week.
 
Definitely between a rock & a hard place. So in what ORDER should these things happen? Work contract then Visa Application then Work, or Visa Application then Work? Wowzers. This is confusing.

What TYPE of visa is easiest to obtain? It seems like the resident visa, right?
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lol, thanks for the welcome. Ok now I know I am not in "tramites", I am simply confused. Apparently I don't even know how to use these terms.

Ok so I guess at this point I can't get a WORK visa, so is there any other visa I am eligible for? Anything that is easier to apply for? I guess all I need is the DNI number, by any means necessary.

I applied for Argentine criminal report December 1st, they told me it would be ready in a month (Jan 1st). I have planned going next week.
 
To be honest with you, I don't know why they can't offer me a work contract (precontrato). She told me many other major IT companies don't offer it either. That a bulk of their employees (although mostly foreigners anyways) have prior work experience in BsAs, meaning they already have the necessary documents. She also gave me an example of some French guy that was in my same situation. He temporarily worked for another company (I assume at least until they gave him a visa) then he jumped ship to this company. I would do that too, but can't seem to get my foot in the door...

She is willing to wait for me even though I am new here & I don't have the documents. Simply put, I need to apply for something, anything, the easiest thing, in order to get the damn numbers necessary to work.
 
They may not be registered with the authorities to hire foreign employees. Are they going to pay you en blanco?
 
Gonzo said:
To be honest with you, I don't know why they can't offer me a work contract (precontrato). She told me many other major IT companies don't offer it either. That a bulk of their employees (although mostly foreigners anyways) have prior work experience in BsAs, meaning they already have the necessary documents. She also gave me an example of some French guy that was in my same situation. He temporarily worked for another company (I assume at least until they gave him a visa) then he jumped ship to this company. I would do that too, but can't seem to get my foot in the door...

She is willing to wait for me even though I am new here & I don't have the documents. Simply put, I need to apply for something, anything, the easiest thing, in order to get the damn numbers necessary to work.

I think I remember something about companies needing to be registered to hire (sponsor) foreigners for their visa. Could be that this company isn't registered because normally once you get a work contract you can go down & register for your permit.

ETA: Citygirl got to it first. You will probably need to find another company to hire you.
 
mini said:
I was under the impression you couldn't work on a visa rentista. It that not true?

You can legally work with any temporary or permanent visa. You can not work with a transitory visa (tourist).

Section 51 of the Immigrations Law (Nbr. 25.871) states that " Foreigners admitted or authorized as "permanent residents" may perform any remunerated or lucrative task or activity, self-employed or as employees, enjoying the protection of the laws governing matter. Foreigners admitted or authorized as "temporary residents" may perform them only during the period of authorized stay.

ARTICULO 51. — Los extranjeros admitidos o autorizados como "residentes permanentes" podrán desarrollar toda tarea o actividad remunerada o lucrativa, por cuenta propia o en relación de dependencia, gozando de la protección de las leyes que rigen la materia. Los extranjeros admitidos o autorizados como "residentes temporarios" podrán desarrollarlas sólo durante el período de su permanencia autorizada.
 
Gonzo said:
To be honest with you, I don't know why they can't offer me a work contract (precontrato). She told me many other major IT companies don't offer it either. That a bulk of their employees (although mostly foreigners anyways) have prior work experience in BsAs, meaning they already have the necessary documents. She also gave me an example of some French guy that was in my same situation. He temporarily worked for another company (I assume at least until they gave him a visa) then he jumped ship to this company. I would do that too, but can't seem to get my foot in the door...

She is willing to wait for me even though I am new here & I don't have the documents. Simply put, I need to apply for something, anything, the easiest thing, in order to get the damn numbers necessary to work.

These kind of employers really set my teeth on edge!
Basically, unless you get a precontract from this employer, there is no way that you can apply for a work visa (either temporary or permanent).
In order for your employer to give you the precontract, they need to go and register at immigrations as a company that "requires foreign staff" and to do that they need to submit their necessary paperwork from the AFIP (Argentine tax office) and criminal check (if it is a small company). If its a large company, there's various other paperwork they have to submit.

As far as her telling you that they had a French employee that worked for another IT company for a short while and then jumped ship...that is impossible! Work visas for foreigners are TEMPORARY and SPECIFIC to a particular company/sponsor. You have to get it renewed every year for 3 years, after which you can apply for a permanent visa and then jump ship and work for whomever you like under the same terms and conditions as any other Argentine. So the French guy must have been working somewhere else for a considerable period of time (+3 years) before switching companies. If the French guy did get his 1 year visa from another company and then decided to leave within that time period, his previous company is obliged to notify immigrations...and would stop paying his tax and contributions when he left! Either way, even if he got away with that...his visa would run out at the end of the year anyway and it would be up to his current company to start the process of employing him!

As far as getting a CUIL is concerned, I have heard from a couple of people that a foreigner is able to get some kind of tax registration here (so perhaps you could do that). Even so, you would still be working on a tourist visa (illegally!). I think a lot of companies here prefer to "employ" foreigners under the table or, in exceptional cases, have them get a CUIL in order to avoid the hassle and (mostly) the taxes/various contributions they would otherwise have to pay for that foreigner.

To get residency here, you need to have at least a temporary visa...You can either get married, have a child here, obtain an offer of (legal, contracted) employment or apply for a rentista visa (by proving that you have +US$1,000 of external income). If you do not meet any of those requirements, you can't get residency....punto!

As far as I can tell, unless you qualify for one of the above visas (which would still take a while to apply for) there is no legal way for you to accept this job - and it's really shady (though perfectly typical!) of your employer not to give you the precontract. It seems like they're basically just trying to cut costs. There are however, several IT companies here that do employ foreigners legally...and if you're planning on staying here long-term, it might be a good idea to check them out. In fact, the only unmarried, young foreigners that I know who are working here legally, work for IT companies!
 
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