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[marraco]

That is not the generally accepted reason for the bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires:

"A group called Islamic Jihad Organization, which has been linked to Iran and possibly Hezbollah,[3] claimed responsibility;[2] their stated motive for the attack was Israel's assassination of Hezbollah Secretary General Sayed Abbas al-Musawi in February,[4] which in turn was in retaliation for the kidnapping and death of missing Israeli servicemen in 1986 and abduction of US Marine and UN peace-keeping officer William R. Higgins in 1988. [5]"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Israeli_Embassy_attack_in_Buenos_Aires

The source is the CIA, like the Weapons of Massive Destruction on Iraq.

Whatever, even if true Iran never before settled his problems whit Israel on Argentine territory.

 

[marraco]

Sorry, you have the definition of Integration backwards. Immigrants integrate INTO OUR SOCIETY, NOT the other way around as you incorrectly described. If you come to the U.S. you follow the rules and social norms of the U.S. That is integration. The U.S. accepts and give opportunities to all LEGAL immigrants, as long as they follow the law of the land (U.S.)

No that's YOUR definition of integration. WE, HERE, are more liberal and democratic.

As for the Mosque in NY...NOBODY is denying they have a right to build it.

That's just a game of words. Some don't deny their right, but they are impeded anyways.

Here is Giuliani and Sarah Palin trying to impede it:
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Giuliani--Ground--Zero--Mosque/2010/08/19/id/367914
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/palin-obama-ground-zero-mosque-not-above-your-pay-grade

The citizens are solely voicing their concern that is isn't responsible to build it so close to a place many consider sacred and where Muslims killed 3000 people

No the Muslims did NOT did it. Terrorists did it. A terrorist trained by USA, if the responsible is Ben Laden.

Christians did not invaded the Bikini islands, sequestered his inhabitants at point of gun, and exploded a thermonuclear bomb over it. USA did it.

If somebody uses Cristians -or Muslims- to attack Obama and collect political benefits, he is no different of Hitler. Sarah Palin is a demagogue, attacking a weak group of people for things over which they had no control, voice or responsibility, and just to discredit Obama and reach power.

I being one of them as I was in NYC on 9/11

I'm sorry if you were a victim, being a victim gives you pain, but do not automatically gives you the reason.

Slums exist because you have multiple generations of lazy ass, government dependents (both argentines and immigrants) who would rather sit and do nothing then get off their asses and work. The Gov, by continuously GIVING money to these people encourages them to do nothing and the cycle continues.

Agree. Still using violence does not solve anything.

 

[jaredwb]

No that's YOUR definition of integration. WE, HERE, are more liberal and democratic.

That's just a game of words. Some don't deny their right, but they are impeded anyways.

Here is Giuliani and Sarah Palin trying to impede it:
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Giuliani--Ground--Zero--Mosque/2010/08/19/id/367914
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/palin-obama-ground-zero-mosque-not-above-your-pay-gradeNo the Muslims did NOT did it. Terrorists did it. A terrorist trained by USA, if the responsible is Ben Laden.

Christians did not invaded the Bikini islands, sequestered his inhabitants at point of gun, and exploded a thermonuclear bomb over it. USA did it.

If somebody uses Cristians -or Muslims- to attack Obama and collect political benefits, he is no different of Hitler. Sarah Palin is a demagogue, attacking a weak group of people for things over which they had no control, voice or responsibility, and just to discredit Obama and reach power.
I'm sorry if you were a victim, being a victim gives you pain, but do not automatically gives you the reason.

Agree. Still using violence does not solve anything.

-Nope, that's the problem with you liberal dems...you make up the definitions to suite your agenda.

Per Websters Dict: a : incorporation as equals into society or an organization of individuals of different groups (as races). EQUALS...not special treatment and exceptions because you are Muslim or whatever.


-I'm calling your bullsh@t again: MUSLIM Terrorists attacked us in the NAME of ISLAM. We did not attack anyone in the name of Christianity. Japan didn't attack us in the name of Shinto. The MUSLIM Terrorists want to 1) apply Sharia Law Worldwide 2) Bring about the fall of ALL religions under Allah's sword.

I lived in a Muslim country for 2 years and think the religion is amazing, celebrated the Muslim holidays (at fairs and in homes) and I understand the faction of Terrorists is an extreme group. That does NOT change the fact they are killing us in the NAME of ISLAM.

I'm sure if a few crazy factions of the Vatican went and blew up a few hundred people you would be calling for the eradication of Christianity as a whole and screaming about the murdering CHRISTIANS (leaving out the terrorist part).


-I'm not playing the victim...I was in NY but luckily on the other side of town. My point was that building a Mosque near Ground Zero is disgusting. And thank goodness we have the RIGHT to impede something we feel strongly against.

-See, we agree on something

And will someone PLEASE explain to me how to do the multiple quote boxes?????

 

[marksoc]

That is not the generally accepted reason for the bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires:

"A group called Islamic Jihad Organization, which has been linked to Iran and possibly Hezbollah,[3] claimed responsibility;[2] their stated motive for the attack was Israel's assassination of Hezbollah Secretary General Sayed Abbas al-Musawi in February,[4] which in turn was in retaliation for the kidnapping and death of missing Israeli servicemen in 1986 and abduction of US Marine and UN peace-keeping officer William R. Higgins in 1988. [5]"

In fact, during that timeone of the theories (by Jorge Lanata and a foreign journalist) was that the bombings were warnings from Syrian factions to then president M.... (I cannot write the name, bad luck) because he "forgot" to send nuclear technology back to his financial backers there (Al Kassar, weapons trafficant). Then, they bombed the Embassy, the community center, and finally killed his son (that was riding an helicopter). For the bombings they used elements of the corrupt local police, and not any muslim terrorists. Israel utilized the bombings politically to attack Iran.

 

[marraco]

-Nope, that's the problem with you liberal dems

Please, avoid personal attacks.

I do not identify with the Democratic Party of USA.

...you make up the definitions to suite your agenda.

Per Websters Dict: a : incorporation as equals into society or an organization of individuals of different groups (as races). EQUALS...not special treatment and exceptions because you are Muslim or whatever.

You fail to mention liberty. Liberty under equality. I made no definition, so your argument has no basis.

And what exception for Muslims do you implies?

What special treatment?

The entire world knows that there are lots of religion related building all around the Ground Zero. Those are Jews, Catholic, Protestant, Muslims and other religion places and buildings. Some are even nearer that the projected Cordoba center (the project is not at ground Zero, it's many blocks away from it). And is not a mosque, by the way.

Why Muslims are to be denied something that all religion are allowed? (including Muslim places already existent, even nearer than the projected Cordoba center). Because some demagogues decided to exploit the emotions of the victims?

-I'm calling your bullsh@t again: MUSLIM Terrorists attacked us in the NAME of ISLAM. We did not attack anyone in the name of Christianity. Japan didn't attack us in the name of Shinto. The MUSLIM Terrorists want to 1) apply Sharia Law Worldwide 2) Bring about the fall of ALL religions under Allah's sword

That's pointless. If they attacked on the name of the Islam, or the Spaghetti Monster. Nobody asked the Spaghetti Monster, and nobody asked permission to 1,200,000,000 Muslims to do the attacks.

What If USA were pretending to do the bombings on the name of Christianity? It would not make all the Christianity guilty.

You are responsible only of your acts. You are not responsible of other people acts, even if they claim to make it on your religion's name.

I lived in a Muslim country for 2 years and think the religion is amazing, celebrated the Muslim holidays (at fairs and in homes) and I understand the faction of Terrorists is an extreme group. That does NOT change the fact they are killing us in the NAME of ISLAM.

1-What variant of Islam??? Ben Laden was enemy of Iraq, Sadam Hussein, and his variant of Islam.
2-How many variants of Islam do you know? Do you know that most hate each other?
3-It's absolutely pointless whatever they did "in the name of Islam". There are between 1,200,000,000 and 1,600,000,000 Islam worshipers in the world. Ben Laden has no control over they, and never got permission nor support from all those billions of people that you blame. But if you accuse, or attack all of them, of course all of them should be feel addressed. You are the cause.

Do you understand that if you do any damage or hostility against ALL of Islam, YOU are uniting all of them against you?

Do you know that USA depends on some Muslim Nations to get oil? (not Iraq, or Iran)
Do you know that some Muslim nations have nuclear weapons, and USA do not dispute their right to own those weapons?
Do you know that USA plan to sell stealth planes and lots of state of the art weapons to those nations to recover from his economic problems?

Do you want to make enemies of all of them?

I'm sure if a few crazy factions of the Vatican went and blew up a few hundred people you would be calling for the eradication of Christianity as a whole and screaming about the murdering CHRISTIANS (leaving out the terrorist part)

Why you are attacking me personally?
Are you accusing me of "Islamism"?. What is your base? Why are you "sure" that I would be "screaming" for "eradication" of people? You looks like the only extremist here.

-I'm not playing the victim...I was in NY but luckily on the other side of town. My point was that building a Mosque near Ground Zero is disgusting

Why is disgusting? Your statement is disgusting, but it's your problem. If you find Muslims, Jews, Hare Chrisna, Catholics, or whatever "disgusting", it's your problem.

You enjoy the Equal Liberty to worship any religion, or not, and the Right to do it even if other people finds it "disgusting".

Accept it, or ignore it. Those are your rights.

Disgust is an emotion, a feeling, not an argument.

And thank goodness we have the RIGHT to impede something we feel strongly against.

You don't agree with yourself. You wrote this:

As for the Mosque in NY...NOBODY is denying they have a right to build it.

-See, we agree on something

And will someone PLEASE explain to me how to do the multiple quote boxes?????

Each Quote box starts with Quote, and ends with /Quote.

 

[esllou]

whatever happened to that cabrera? Or "CIA Earthquake Girl" as I like to call her.

 

[gouchobob]

To get this back on topic here is a good editorial on the Villa Soldati situation:

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/54147

 

[Bajo_cero2]

How dis this thread go from poor immigrants and Pro´s punteros encouraging them to international wars and terrorism?

 

[steveinbsas]

whatever happened to that cabrera? Or "CIA Earthquake Girl" as I like to call her.

She "resigned" from this site as promised when the war she predicted between Iran and Israel failed to occur prior to the end of September.

 

[marraco]

How dis this thread go from poor immigrants and Pro´s punteros encouraging them to international wars and terrorism?

The connection is more natural that it seems at first look.

When violence is used to supress conflicts, it engenders even more violence. And when the “solution” is violence again, it may spiral out of control.

Terrorism borns when people feel abused, and impotent to solve it.

So, if poor people are repressed by violence, since it does not solve their problems, they resent against society, or any perceived power.

Resentment may take form of crime, robbery, mafious organizations and worse forms, like riots or terrorism.

Pushing people to violent state is far easier than doing the inverse.