The 54% pro Cristina vote is the result of a poorly educated population that is increasingly ignorant due to bad education (sorry I do not buy the pro Kirchner propaganda that education is improving) and the growth of an immigrant population from countries with far worse educational standards. With a vast number of people dependent on the state because the government wants it that way to stay in power, WHAT do you expect? If you are an expat living in Barrio Norte, Zona Norte, Palermo, Recoleta you are not living among the real Argentina. What you see around you is a tiny minority of the population. Most people have been brainwashed by far left teachers and made dependent by a state that does nothing to promote serious education or job creation. Dance in the streets, subsidize pop culture and a lot of idiocy is the K style. Keep the masses "happy" and under control. Cristina's worst enemies are the well educated professional class who live in the favored expat areas. Most of these people know what's wrong but they are helpless and powerless, excluded from power. As the country becomes more like the rest of Latin America (except Chile), the hope for a turnaround dims. BTW, isn't that brilliant looking young man next to Cristina in the video of her dancing, the son? Isn't he going to be the next governor of Santa Cruz?
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sergio said:
There are plenty of rich Argentines who benefit from Cristina and her modelo based on fake money. Especially lawyers, politicians, business people close to the power circle. All those people have one thing in common, little or no moral guidance.
Fill up your pockets, send your money abroad and when things collapse seek refuge in either Uruguay, Miami or Europe and buy extremely cheap land and properties.
She even won San Isidro and villa la Cava can't be more then 2% of the population there
Yes there are rich Argentines who benefit but most well educated people in Argentina do NOT benefit. There are always going to be corrupt, self-centered people but I've met many fine people - many who know the problems, have the knowledge and experience to help solve the problems but they are excluded from power. It is really impossible to hold a position of authority in government and not be corrupt - and no it is not the same in the US. It's far more extreme in Argentina. I agree that there is a culture of selfishness and a lack of concern for the community, local or national. The system reinforces itself and creates a vicious circle. Everything is short term in Argentina. That's a classic third world characteristic. Argentina glitters in places and gives the illusion of first world at times but underlying everything is a strong tendency to deal with problems as they arise. The truth is that you can not do much else because no matter how organized you are,
the rest of the society won't cooperate.
the rest of the society won't cooperate.
Everyone who is making money out of a consumer-boom that is build on inflation and is not going to last benefit from this adminstration. And there are plenty of them.
The fact that Cristina even won in San Isidro won is a clear sign, loads of 'rich' people are benefitting from Cristina and the ones most benefitting are probally the new rich.
Your theory just doesnt hold up.
The fact that Cristina even won in San Isidro won is a clear sign, loads of 'rich' people are benefitting from Cristina and the ones most benefitting are probally the new rich.
Your theory just doesnt hold up.
Rich vote Cristina, poor vote Cristina, people in unions vote Cristina, stateworkers vote Cristina
Only the well-educated people in non-union jobs might not vote Cristina, but that group just doesnt add up well against the other 4. The group is way too small to have any power.
The 4 groups above mentioned benefit from Cristina and they know it and they don't care, it's all about $$$, even if it's all build on smoke, it happend before and it will happen again.
Only the well-educated people in non-union jobs might not vote Cristina, but that group just doesnt add up well against the other 4. The group is way too small to have any power.
The 4 groups above mentioned benefit from Cristina and they know it and they don't care, it's all about $$$, even if it's all build on smoke, it happend before and it will happen again.
To read a bit more about the numbers, the numbers in zona norte are lower(probally around 40% on average) then zona oeste(55-60%) and zona Sur(around 50%) but she just won in every single sector of society. Cristina also won Capital, every major city and the campo.
http://www.infoparticipacion.com/in...de-hasta-el-70-&catid=9:la-provincia&Itemid=5
In Spanish, but even you can't read Spanish you can see the numbers
http://www.infoparticipacion.com/in...de-hasta-el-70-&catid=9:la-provincia&Itemid=5
In Spanish, but even you can't read Spanish you can see the numbers
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el_expatriado said:
Oh my God! You picked the just about the worst place on the planet to let that happen to you... I feel your pain.. seriously.
Now I understand.
Just the other day was talking with my wife’s cousin she has been working in the same place for 5 years had a fight with the owner.
Then the Peron mentality comes out full force...
I want to get fired they will to have pay me 40,000 pesos to fire me I can take a year off with that...and I deserve a year of vacation.
I was like.. Gasp, choke, inhale, breath slow, control yourself and do not open your mouth gringo to tell this prima what you really think about this.
And on top of that your hooked into this economy.. Ouch! even more pain!
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tomdesigns said:
Running a business here is not easy, but it can be done. Dealing with employee problems is something that all businesses face. The labor relationship leads to conflict by design.
The business I am in is famous for the conflict between workers and management. When I first started, we put in a cafeteria for the workers, gave them free breakfast and coffee, free sodas, etc. We even had a wellness program with a masseuse who came 3 times a week to give massages on-site. We had bonus programs, extra pay, rewards for meeting objectives, etc. Typical "North American" type incentive programs, etc. We didn't go by the union contract at all. We paid way above it because our idea was to attract the best workers and keep them.
We had tons complaints from the union about all this. They said we needed to stop all these programs because it was generating huge conflict with our competitors. The employees of other companies were starting to go to the union and complain and ask them to get those kinds of benefits for them. Without any kind of union involvement we provided a better working environment for our workers. We didn't even have a union representative because the workers never bothered to organize and hold elections. There was really no need at all for the union to involve itself with our activities.
Well, this lasted about a year and then union made it clear to us that we had to end all those programs or they would end them for us in a very disagreeable manner. And that was the end of that. Now we are just a normal place to work, just like any other. No more extra benefits for our workers.
So, I have very little respect for the peronist system of collective bargaining and union representation here in Argentina. The unions betray their own workers here. They are just as corrupt and inept (if not more) than the politicians.
