What's happening to this country?

[Fabe]

i dont see the analogy aither.
in the states , for every crime there is punishment. For political ineptitude there is banishment. for racism thereis always a oposing forcepushing back.
the problem here is the people . that is where the buck stopsin argentina.
Argentinaspolitics are theives , and ONLY becausethe argentines allow it

 

[dennisr]

Tocqueville: despotism *in a modern democracy is much more dangerous than oppression under emperors or tyrants who can only exert a pernicious influence on a small group of people at a time. Tocqueville compared a despotic democratic government to a protective parent who wants to keep its citizens (children) as "perpetual children," and presides over people in the same way as a shepherd looking after a "flock of timid animals."

 

[Fabe]

Bingo ! ( That ia bingo !) ....Inglorious bastards

 

[Gringoboy]

Fabe, do you need a new keyboard by any chance?

 

[zapatosgoma]

Are you sure?

1- Dubya rode his horse into the sunset
2- Dick...nobody knew where he was anyway
3- Karl is still a respected strategist, live on Fox quite often
4- Libby got pardoned
5- Yoo is a prof at Berkeley (of all places!)
...do you need more?

Not that this justifies other countries gov's ineptitude and corruption...

Don't see the analogy. One big difference of course is the people who made the Iraq decisions are today largely discredited and out of office. The Kirchners were in office at the same time and 9 years latter still are and beginning yet another term, with talk of changing the constitution so they can stay indefinitely. Thank god they don't have the resources to make bad decisions like the U.S. sometimes does, can you imagine what would happen if they did.

 

[DontMindMe]

What was the freaking point in bringing the U.S. into this thread? The American expats participating in the thread thus far are LIVING IN ARGENTINA and have been for some time, no? Or is that not the point of this site? It really gets old to keep reading, "Well, in America blah blah blah completely unrelated thing happened so why are you so surprised/shocked/offended at what is going on in Argentina?" Just...stop. Stop it.

 

[AlexanderB]

[quote name='Don'tMindMe']What was the freaking point in bringing the U.S. into this thread? The American expats participating in the thread thus far are LIVING IN ARGENTINA and have been for some time, no? Or is that not the point of this site? It really gets old to keep reading, "Well, in America blah blah blah completely unrelated thing happened so why are you so surprised/shocked/offended at what is going on in Argentina?" Just...stop. Stop it.[/QUOTE]

Because it helps to keep things in perspective.

 

[FreddyGdiP]

The current problem with Argentina has two main culprits: JD.Peron and his party AND the actual Kirchner administration (one that started 9 years ago with the current president´s husband).
The explanation of why Peron was such a terrible influence to Argentina is a quite a long one but let´s just say that his party is to blame for the decades of corruption, mobs ruling everything, inefficient and disdainful public officers, rich politicians who disguise themselves as "popular", terrible public services, distorted taxes and the notion amongst poor people that the government is to provide for absolutely everything, and I mean everything.
As for the other culprits, the Kirchners: By disguising themselves as defendants of the Human Rights (a sensitive issue here in Argentina since the military dictatorships of the late 70s) they have gained support from large left wing groups who believe everything they say and also believe that the economical growth of the last decade has been DUE to the Kirchners when in fact this economical growth has taken place DESPITE of the Kirchners. The world´s increased hunger for commodities -Argentina´s largest export until the Kirchners took care of that- brought a huge amount of money into the country. Money that the Kirchners used not to invest in railroads (as it has been terribly ilustrated last wednesday) or highways, or schools or hospitals but to buy votes from -again- the poor. The Kirchner system is quite simply: I give you a small amount of money but you have to vote for me. Since you are poor and quite possibly unemployed you need this money to live and thus, accept to vote for the Kirchners.
Now that 9 years have passed and the possibility to blame past administrations is almost inexistent the Kirchners are blaming the media for every bad news that is published and claim that all the bad news are lies and fabrications of the media empire. Truth be told, go out into the street and you will see that the reality is much closer to what Clarin and La Nacion (the biggest newspapers) show than to what the Kirchners say.
Hopefully the people is very slowly starting to realize this and many are realizing the terrible mistake they did by voting Cristina Kirchner for another period just a few months ago. The train tragedy of a couple days ago, the growing restrictions for everything, the scandalous corruption, the recently discovered espionage system mounted by the Kirchners (Watergate, anyone?) and more are slowly reaching a boiling point much resembling the one that took place in december 2001 and ended with the early ending of De La Rua´s administration.

 

[JoeGillis]

AlexanderB, you wrote a very good assessment of the similarities and differences between Argentina and the USA, and I am in agreement with most of what was outlined in your comment. However, what you wrote has nothing to do with the topic of discussion (and it certainly doesn’t help to keep “things” in perspective), for this thread is about Argentina…and only Argentina. Thus, your defensive and wholly inappropriate retort has little, if any. relevance whatsoever with regard to the subject matter.

 

[AlexanderB]

AlexanderB, you wrote a very good assessment of the similarities and differences between Argentina and the USA, and I am in agreement with most of what was outlined in your comment. However, what you wrote has nothing to do with the topic of discussion (and it certainly doesn’t help to keep “things” in perspective), for this thread is about Argentina…and only Argentina. Thus, your defensive and wholly inappropriate retort has little, if any. relevance whatsoever with regard to the subject matter.

My comment was spoken to the broader nexus of expat complaints and the reasons for them, of which this thread is a manifestation.