What's the deal about Angola anyway?

El chabon said:
It all depends how easy and cheap Angola can get food-stuffs. Agriculture futures trade on major markets, it isn't really that hard to make that business especially if Argentina supplies Angola with either industrial products or technology transfers.

I sure Cristina will make Angolan imports look like its YPF production, Angola sure wouldnt care if they do.

Aha. So now you're saying that CFK's government will attempt to trade futures rather than make a physical delivery of food commodities to Angola?

All of the Angolan state oil company partners are publicly traded companies under constant scrutiny by tens of thousands of very smart analysts, dozens of global regulatory agencies and with millions of shareholders. The Angolan state oil company is a minority shareholder to these global super-major oil companies.

Do you think these partners (or Angola for that matter) are going to accept commodity futures in payment and then try to sell these on the open commodity market, needlessly introducing additional risk in the HOPE of getting their money back? Money that they would have gotten selling the LNG on the open spot market or in contract to higher paying customers without all that risk and bother? Do you think these oil companies are set up to sell soy, wheat and other perishable commodities?

The other part of that is...let's say the Angolans and oil companies do accept futures. The value of those futures would clearly show that Argentina is paying a VERY high price for the LNG (see above re; corruption factor). People will start asking questions and they'll figure it out...there's something called the US anti-curruption act which most nations are signatories. Even though I personally believe there is alot of global corruption, it's usually better hidden whereas this would be right out in the open. This would show clear violation of that act so now you have criminal liability to add.

No...if anything happens here, I wager that Argentina will have to pay for this with an awful lot of Benjamins and if Angola extends credit, the price will reflect the cost of that credit and ALL of the corruption from both side. The populations of both countries will pay the price of the bribes/kickbacks to CFK, her cronies and the Angolan family-in-chief. And Timmerman will still look like a deer in the headlights of the SUV of history about to squash him like the ineffectual moron he is.

But honestly, I don't think she can make it happen if only because of the oil company partners who are probably going to put the kybosh on the whole stupid idiotic thing.

CFK and her government. God! They can't even be corrupt well!!!
 
Nope, just that it isnt that hard to put a price tag on products Argentina sends, those products are traded now as well.

Angola has enough gas and oil and needs food, Argentina got it the other way around, it shouldnt be too hard to find a middle ground(and fill some pockets in the meantime as well)
 
El chabon said:
Nope, just that it isnt that hard to put a price tag on products Argentina sends, those products are traded now as well.

Angola has enough gas and oil and needs food, Argentina got it the other way around, it shouldnt be too hard to find a middle ground(and fill some pockets in the meantime as well)

All this is about are those silk lined pockets...
 
dennisr said:
No Cristina fan for sure, take it at its face value. Trade mission to Angola to promote Argentine manufactured goods, commodities, everything and anything is for sale. Follow the money. Angola has petro-dollars. Angola, an untapped market. Who knows? Everything to gain *nothing to loose and we get LNG.

http://comex.iprofesional.com/notas...ia-la-compra-de-gas-natural-licuado-a-Angola-

So they did it...however, they're still going to pay with USD and I still maintain that they must be making corrupt money off each shipment Argentina receives either directly in the form of unnecessarily higher prices or factored into the 2%-10 year loan that Angola has extended (Perhaps 1% for Angola and 1% for CFK?) or maybe on both...
 
LostinBA said:
So they did it...however, they're still going to pay with USD and I still maintain that they must be making corrupt money off each shipment Argentina receives either directly in the form of unnecessarily higher prices or factored into the 2%-10 year loan that Angola has extended (Perhaps 1% for Angola and 1% for CFK?) or maybe on both...


*That very well could be, but at least you will stay WARM this Winter. Argentina is really between a rock and a hard spot. GDP bonds are eating them alive. Bigger the growth, bigger the coupon payment. Economy slowing down in 2012 and they have to pay the premium for 2011 growth in GDP. Should have settled with the so called vulture funds, Paris Club and got back into the world of easy money. Once again, pride is eating them alive.
 
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