Which Has The Better Economy: Argentina Or Chile?

[ghost]

They both suck. Frankly I'm really ready to start a major online movement called................. "DEFUND CONGRESS".

 

[ajoknoblauch]

The next step for Argentina? http://tinyurl.com/nxlwplu

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Well, it looks as if there's a new candidate: http://tinyurl.com/l43b6kn

 

[Matiasba]

Mexico as an immigrants land? they have 60 million poverty + those they export to the US...

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Nobody would deny Mexico's poverty but, at the same time, it looks pretty good to many Central Americans. And the point of the article is that there is also considerable dynamism in contemporary Mexico.

 

[camberiu]

Mexico as an immigrants land? they have 60 million poverty + those they export to the US...

I know, right? Who in their right mind would leave the "paradise of Latin America" to go live in that dump? No sane Argentinian would ever do that.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

I know, right? Who in their right mind would live the "paradise of Latin America" to go live in that dump? No sane Argentinian would ever do that.

The article notes that two nationalized Argentines are now on the Mexican national soccer team.

 

[arlean]

OF COURSE, corporate socialism not only exists in the U.S. It is RAMPANT. It controls politics. One congressman quit a few years ago because he said congress doesn't even make the laws any more, the corporations write the laws and congress does it. I REMEMBER that stuff.

Used to be that was called fascism. Yeah I know you're going to argue about definitions, just like you don't think stealing from one group of citizens and giving it to others so they will vote for YOU is socialism. Just like the politicians. Try to confuse you on the use of language. If you don't CALL it that then it won't BE that or at least maybe you won't figure out that it is.

It is what it is, whatever you want to call it. And it IS black and white. Dishonesty is dishonesty. Stealing is stealing, you guys! And then they make the tax code so complicated that the average guy doesn't understand it so he gets ripped off and pays most of the taxes, but certain people do understand it and so they pay none or little tax, it is by plan. I know 90% of you won't know what I'm talking about, but some of you do. Probably mostly you who do sit and read this stuff and never post.

 

[arlean]

Socialism is when government takes money by force that was earned by one group and gives it to another group. If an individual gives money to help someone, that is charity. When it is taken by government power, it is socialism.

When I was a girl in the U.S. the only truly socialist program was Social Security. But Americans so rejected socialism back then,that it was sold to them as not socialism but insurance. There were a lot of charity organizations to help people in trouble. The churches also helped people in need. But they also held people accountable and helped them to become self-dependent. The standard was honesty.

Taking money by the federal government from one group and giving it to another is unconstitutional in the US, But people don't usually care about that so long as they see a way to benefit (which is where the dishonesty comes in). Part of my family refused to accept Social Security when it started. My husband's grandfather, a Michigan farmer, had lost both legs to diabetes. When the feds came to his farm to sign him up for the free money (newly instituted Social Security), he literally ran them off his farm and said, "You're going to bankrupt America before you're done!"

I had two step-uncles (my step-dad's brothers) who also refused it. They saw it so clearly as the beginning of socialism and the financial destruction of America that they refused all their lives to take part. It was getting pretty "iffy" toward the end of their lives but they died before they had problems with the government. They were very principled people who did not believe it was right to steal from someone else for their benefit. One was a barber, the other a roofer. None were wealthy, but they paid their way all their lives. And yet we all felt responsibility for those in need--but also felt like people should be held accountable for how they managed their lives. I could write a book on that but I will spare you poor people who put up with me.

I am in Argentina where my professional Argentina friends try to take me to the free clinic for eye exams and can't figure out why I have a doctor I pay. They go through the whole thing with me about "But it's free" and I do the thing about "Oh really, do the doctors work for free?" I have posted these conversations before. Who is it that is paying?" Two of them are engineers, two are lawyers and one a teacher. The father had free eye surgery kind of recently.

I am not here to take from the Argentina people. Yes I know it is there, but I won't do it. I canceled my Medicare a few years back. The Argentina woman at the Embassy said, "I guess you'll use the free care here." I said "I certainly won't" and I told her my belief about that. She said, "Well, you're rare, you're one of the few."

Now you can all argue all you want. I can handle it. But THAT is the way it was in my formerly wonderful country when honesty and integrity were the guideline. If anyone is interested, read the Constitution. The Federal Government is prevented by that document to institute most of the programs they are. Our founders knew the truth, even if most of us do not. But as one recipient told me a while back when I pointed that out to her, "Well, it's an old document, maybe we need to get rid of it." Hohohohoho! I just laugh. They know not what they do! And in the end, people (countries) usually get what they deserve!

 

[Matiasba]

I know, right? Who in their right mind would leave the "paradise of Latin America" to go live in that dump? No sane Argentinian would ever do that.

I did not watch the video, the argentines in mexico, or argenmex as they call themselves, were basically one wave that started and finished in the last dictatorship. They were mainly intellectuals, famous artists, all of them upper middle class, who were perssecuted by Videla . So its pretty much a different kind of immigration (working vclass, poor people looking for a place to live decently).