Why do you choose Argentina?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

If I was a young Argentine earning in pesos I would be leaving the country.
During normal times there were quite a few ‘working holiday’ visas for places like New Zealand, Denmark and a few others.

It’s a shame because Argentina is going to start losing a lot of it’s ‘talent’ if things continue the way they are.

 

[Dougie]

Hello I'm an Argentinian and found this forum researching ex-pats. I'd like to know why do you choose a third-world country to live, as I'm trying to emigrate.

Greetings

I think the bottom line is most expats who come here have either a dollar income or dollar savings to lean on, which makes living in Buenos Aires and other select parts of Argentina a nice experience.

 

[antipodean]

Born in or move to Argentina with dollars in your pocket, you will have an easy life.
Move to Denmark or New Zealand with pesos in your pocket, you will also have an easy life.
Move to the USA or UK with pesos or dollars in your pocket, you might have an easy life.
Born in Argentina with pesos in your pocket, you're screwed.

Argentina on the ground resembles South Africa far more than it resembles Poland or Macedonia.
Here millions don't even live in homes with flushing toilets, while millions live in homes not only with toilets, but with bidets.
To put it into perspective only 6.91% of "poor" households in Argentina have access to a flushing toilet, while in Bangladesh that number is 9.98% while to the north in Colombia it is 19%. To be poor here is to be miserable and could not be further from the lives most expats are capable of imagining or live today, but it is a reality that we live next to. Hence any illusion or statistic Argentina is a middle, upper or lower country just does not tell the whole truth, it is a developed and undeveloped country at the same time. Unfortunately IMO it is no longer still a developing country but for the time being that doesn't pose much of an issue for most expats with dollars in their pockets, who i'm guessing like most privileged Argentines, just turn the other cheek.

 

[Ries]

they don't have inflation and peronismo!

There are many things wrong with the USA- but to say they dont have inflation is a dream.
EVERYTHING in the USA has been going up all the time- but the government has made the "inflation index" exclude the things that people actually have to pay for, or uses regional averages to conceal the true costs to most people.
Electricity, Telephone, Internet, Rent, and many other things have had steady inflation for many years.
And, unlike in Argentina, wages do not go up to match.
We have no sindicatos negotiating a 20% yearly increase with the government.

Minimum wage for restaurant workers is $2.13 an hour in many places.

It is not all milk and honey.

Also, wait until you get that $1500 USD a MONTH bill for health insurance, on top of which you pay $25 to $50 per visit, and the first $5000 per year- that was what my fair market cost was before I went on Medicare. (I got a discount from Socialist Obamacare- same per visit and deductible, but only about $250 a month).

In the USA, its unlikely you will choose to live in the poorest part of Mississippi, and I have chosen not to live in the poorest part of Formosa, either. But horrible poverty exists in the USA too.

If you do emmigrate, I suggest you go to a more socialist country in Europe- the standard of living is much better than in most of the USA, which is heading towards a third world country itself- more homeless people on the streets than you could possibly imagine.

 

[Dougie]

There are many things wrong with the USA- but to say they dont have inflation is a dream.
EVERYTHING in the USA has been going up all the time- but the government has made the "inflation index" exclude the things that people actually have to pay for, or uses regional averages to conceal the true costs to most people.
Electricity, Telephone, Internet, Rent, and many other things have had steady inflation for many years.

Yes there is much more inflation than is being reported. CPI excludes many necessities and includes deflationary products like laptops.

t is not all milk and honey.

Also, wait until you get that $1500 USD a MONTH bill for health insurance, on top of which you pay $25 to $50 per visit, and the first $5000 per year- that was what my fair market cost was before I went on Medicare. (I got a discount from Socialist Obamacare- same per visit and deductible, but only about $250 a month).

In the USA, its unlikely you will choose to live in the poorest part of Mississippi, and I have chosen not to live in the poorest part of Formosa, either. But horrible poverty exists in the USA too.

What you say is true, there are many problems in the US, but it's still much easier for the average person to make a decent living in the US than Argentina.

 

[TWB103]

There are many things wrong with the USA- but to say they dont have inflation is a dream.
EVERYTHING in the USA has been going up all the time- but the government has made the "inflation index" exclude the things that people actually have to pay for, or uses regional averages to conceal the true costs to most people.
Electricity, Telephone, Internet, Rent, and many other things have had steady inflation for many years.
And, unlike in Argentina, wages do not go up to match.
We have no sindicatos negotiating a 20% yearly increase with the government.

Minimum wage for restaurant workers is $2.13 an hour in many places.

It is not all milk and honey.

Also, wait until you get that $1500 USD a MONTH bill for health insurance, on top of which you pay $25 to $50 per visit, and the first $5000 per year- that was what my fair market cost was before I went on Medicare. (I got a discount from Socialist Obamacare- same per visit and deductible, but only about $250 a month).

In the USA, its unlikely you will choose to live in the poorest part of Mississippi, and I have chosen not to live in the poorest part of Formosa, either. But horrible poverty exists in the USA too.

If you do emmigrate, I suggest you go to a more socialist country in Europe- the standard of living is much better than in most of the USA, which is heading towards a third world country itself- more homeless people on the streets than you could possibly imagine.

Horrible poverty in the US does not compare to horrible poverty in Formosa. Poverty is also far more widespread in Argentina. Five yr old children trying to sell you socks when you go for a coffee is not something you will experience in the US.

The US is in decadence but Argentina will always be poorer and less developed relatively.. unless/until China takes over.

 

[jblaze5779]

And, unlike in Argentina, wages do not go up to match.
We have no sindicatos negotiating a 20% yearly increase with the government.

You got a 20% raise but inflation is 40%. Solid "increase" here.

Wouldn't you rather have 2% inflation and a 0% raise? I think even most Argentines would agree to that deal.

Unions are a parasite on Argentina. They can't see past a month to realize if they just got out of the way everyone would prosper. But then I guess unions wouldn't be needed if everyone was happy.

 

[Greg S]

From mild insults to ad hominem attacks in the very next post. Brava!

"Cat Lady" says it all.

 

[Greg S]

Much of the USA is actually pretty shitty and "third-world." Anyone thinking of immigrating should subscribe to this Youtube channel first.

Not this endless debate again. And, yes, a good 25% of the USA is third world, and growing. Middle class is shrinking. God class growing!

Me, I like Palermo Chico.

 

[zensailor]

There are many things wrong with the USA- but to say they dont have inflation is a dream.
EVERYTHING in the USA has been going up all the time- but the government has made the "inflation index" exclude the things that people actually have to pay for, or uses regional averages to conceal the true costs to most people.
Electricity, Telephone, Internet, Rent, and many other things have had steady inflation for many years.
And, unlike in Argentina, wages do not go up to match.
We have no sindicatos negotiating a 20% yearly increase with the government.

Minimum wage for restaurant workers is $2.13 an hour in many places.

It is not all milk and honey.

Also, wait until you get that $1500 USD a MONTH bill for health insurance, on top of which you pay $25 to $50 per visit, and the first $5000 per year- that was what my fair market cost was before I went on Medicare. (I got a discount from Socialist Obamacare- same per visit and deductible, but only about $250 a month).

In the USA, its unlikely you will choose to live in the poorest part of Mississippi, and I have chosen not to live in the poorest part of Formosa, either. But horrible poverty exists in the USA too.

If you do emmigrate, I suggest you go to a more socialist country in Europe- the standard of living is much better than in most of the USA, which is heading towards a third world country itself- more homeless people on the streets than you could possibly imagine.

It's interesting.....wages have been stagnant in the US for decades and discretionary income has declined considerably.....however.....when the cost of items do rise , as they constantly do, it's promoted as indicative of a strong business environment......inflation, nope, nothing to see here, move along