Wife really wants to go back to Argentina with kid

[sergio]

One of the private clinics mentioned here as a good hospital did not impress me when I visited a friend who had cancer. She got bed sores, something that should never happen at a good hospital. Also they did not have the facilities she needed for cancer treatment so they had to send her out which was painful for her. Her patient room was mediocre. There are some clinics that I really like in BA but other private ones I think are just mediocre. I think the best private clinics are good by US standards but not as good as the best in the US. It's true that medicine is a business in the US and doctors in Argentina generally give you more time but I suspect that has begun to change. And I can tell you that the health care companies in Argentina ARE businesses and are not always honest.

 

[wrangler]

It's unlikely you will face any trouble from authorities here in Argentina. Your passport should be enough to get you into the country. You will face limitations as to what you can do without a DNI.

 

[on the brink]

A friend become ill in Argentina. Went to the Diagnostico, where she was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Being a person of means, she flew to the the Mayo clinic in Rochester, Minn., only to get exactly the same diagnosis, and be offered exactly the same options she was given here.

In view of her experience, should anything happen to me I'd take my chances at the Italian Hospital here.
In the Mayo Clinic she was patient No. xxxxxxxx. Here she was treated as a living, breathing person, with needs beyond medication for her illness.

 

[nikad]

A friend become ill in Argentina. Went to the Diagnostico, where she was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Being a person of means, she flew to the the Mayo clinic in Rochester, Minn., only to get exactly the same diagnosis, and be offered exactly the same options she was given here.

In view of her experience, should anything happen to me I'd take my chances at the Italian Hospital here.
In the Mayo Clinic she was patient No. xxxxxxxx. Here she was treated as a living, breathing person, with needs beyond medication for her illness.

Ted Turner ( CNN ) got surgery a few years ago at Diagnostico, then again most people do not have access to these facilities, just like most people do not have access to Mayo Clinic in the US

 

[jeff1234]

A friend become ill in Argentina. Went to the Diagnostico, where she was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Being a person of means, she flew to the the Mayo clinic in Rochester, Minn., only to get exactly the same diagnosis, and be offered exactly the same options she was given here.

In view of her experience, should anything happen to me I'd take my chances at the Italian Hospital here.
In the Mayo Clinic she was patient No. xxxxxxxx. Here she was treated as a living, breathing person, with needs beyond medication for her illness.

I agree. In the US I would only consider a top teaching hospital, like Mayo (where our Argentine trained son is currently a researcher). The care would be impersonal but competent.

Before I left the US I lived in Florida where the health care is laughable. They told my cousin it was only chest congestion, it was lung cancer and his treatment was delayed. Even my poor dog was misdiagnosed. The vets were certain that he needed surgery on his knee. Thats a long, painful, expensive process that usually ends badly for an active breed. Our vets here quickly focused on his HIP and fixed the problem painlessly with stem cells. My doctor in Florida insisted that tylenol is anti-inflammatory. He regularly prescribed it for his patients for this purpose thus letting suffer.

 

[on the brink]

I agree. In the US I would only consider a top teaching hospital, like Mayo (where our Argentine trained son is currently a researcher). The care would be impersonal but competent.

Before I left the US I lived in Florida where the health care is laughable. They told my cousin it was only chest congestion, it was lung cancer and his treatment was delayed.

I don't know about other states, but health care is laughable in Colorado and in Washingnton, DC, as well. There's the Johns Hopkins in nearby Baltimore, but the DC area has nothing.

Mi friend in Florida was nearly killed by doctors who mistreated her hypertension, and ended up with a blood sodium problem that landed her in hospital. For over four months it was touch and go - it took her two years to get over the bungled treatment. That was in Gainesville, home of the University of Florida's best hospital.

 

[jeff1234]

I don't know about other states, but health care is laughable in Colorado and in Washingnton, DC, as well. There's the Johns Hopkins in nearby Baltimore, but the DC area has nothing.

Mi friend in Florida was nearly killed by doctors who mistreated her hypertension, and ended up with a blood sodium problem that landed her in hospital. For over four months it was touch and go - it took her two years to get over the bungled treatment. That was in Gainesville, home of the University of Florida's best hospital.

I would never have imagined that moving to Argentina would get me much better health care than in the US (and my dog too!)

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Imagine all of a sudden Argentina has 25,000+ coronavirus cases over the next couple of weeks and a ton of people need to be hospitalized.

Would the public healthcare system really be able to support that? Do they really have the staff, equipment, supplies necessary?

Maybe. But Argentina has been utterly broke for decades. A doctor I know who works at a public hospital told me they run at 80-90% capacity on a good day.

It's not even a question of "US vs. Argentina" in terms of doctor quality. The US is rich, Argentina is poor. For that reason, the US simply has more manpower and equipment to deal with this situation.

If I need to be hospitalized for the coronavirus, I don't need some friendly doctor to chit-chat with about family and give me a kiss on the cheek. Put me in my bed, hook me up to my machine, and give me my meds. Treat me like I'm a dollar sign instead of a human being - I don't care. Just give me my treatment.

The problem are not only the human resources, neither the ventilators, it is a problem of ideology.
In Argentina the health is a right and it is for free while in the US is a business, and it is super expensive.
Argentina has less cases than the US because they, because of ideology, gave priority to the economy while Argentina gave priority to health.
Meanwhile Trump is blaming to China and boycotting quarantine; Argentina is receiving 2 flights per week of medical supplies from China including full protective suits, 1500 ventilators, N95 and a robotized machine for produce local 2.000.000 per month N95:

Coronavirus: llegó a la Argentina una máquina que fabrica 7.000 barbijos por hora

El aparato será instalado en una industria privada y producirá insumos para proteger al personal médico.

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The first airplane was a donation because Argentina during Perón´s Presidency donated food to China when they were starving.
In the US rights are related to citizenship while in Argentina are related to be a human beings.
It is not true Hospitals are now running at full capacity, this is why everything else was cancelled. Now hospitals are for Coronavirus.
We are not lacking beds, neither ventilators.
So, the bid difference between Argentina and the US is ideological. It is better to be here now and in the close future. Remember that the Spanish flu killed 3 million in the first wave and between 50 up to 100 million in the second.

 

[mlee]

In the US, people wait for hours in emergency rooms - then an intern looks them over and refers them to a specialist, who generally has no appointments open for at least three months. That is for people with good medical insurance.

You are mixing the care/experience of patients with and without insurance. I have heard descriptions of US health care from people outside the US. It's always inaccurate. In the US, people without insurance and possibly with second rate insurance wait in emergency rooms, but that's not normal for people with typical medical insurance. Of course it would depend on the quality, which would depend on the cost. I have had medical insurance in the US through employment for several decades and have had excellent care for injuries and for natural needs with advanced medical equipment always in modern, clean spaces and never waited for long for anything, ever. It focuses on preventative medicine with paid for annual checkups that are very thorough including more tests if something is flagged. It's incredibly impressive. The care givers are meticulous and concerned as most human beings are. When I'm in foreign countries, I give hospitals a credit card and submit the bills to my US insurance and they usually pay for 90% or more. I'm not wealthy. This is normal for tens of millions of American working people and their families. The employer pays a significant share of the insurance cost, usually more than half and the employee pays the rest, typically around 1/3. We consider it a bargain. The employment based insurance is an efficient system that provides incentive both to employers and employees (another long discussion/argument). About it being a business "in the US". A private hospital is a business whether it's in the US or Argentina. Doctors both in community hospitals and in private practice normally never discuss the business end, referring you to administrators, because they are so busy and focused they just don't have the time. It's not their specialty.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

You are mixing the care/experience of patients with and without insurance. I have heard descriptions of US health care from people outside the US. It's always inaccurate. In the US, people without insurance and possibly with second rate insurance wait in emergency rooms, but that's not normal for people with typical medical insurance. Of course it would depend on the quality, which would depend on the cost. I have had medical insurance in the US through employment for several decades and have had excellent care for injuries and for natural needs with advanced medical equipment always in modern, clean spaces and never waited for long for anything, ever. It focuses on preventative medicine with paid for annual checkups that are very thorough including more tests if something is flagged. It's incredibly impressive. The care givers are meticulous and concerned as most human beings are. When I'm in foreign countries, I give hospitals a credit card and submit the bills to my US insurance and they usually pay for 90% or more. I'm not wealthy. This is normal for tens of millions of American working people and their families. The employer pays a significant share of the insurance cost, usually more than half and the employee pays the rest, typically around 1/3. We consider it a bargain. The employment based insurance is an efficient system that provides incentive both to employers and employees (another long discussion/argument). About it being a business "in the US". A private hospital is a business whether it's in the US or Argentina. Doctors both in community hospitals and in private practice normally never discuss the business end, referring you to administrators, because they are so busy and focused they just don't have the time. It's not their specialty.

In Argentina 33% of hospitals are public; 33% belongs to the Unions and 33% are private. 100% of people are covered. Covid-19 treatment and care are included or for free.

As far as I understand, in the US there are between 30 up to 50 million people without any coverage.

The problem with a pandemic is that you can defeat it, only, if you provide health care to the whole population. This is one of the reasons because there are so many casualties in the US besides its leadership.

You do not have a universal vaccination program in the US when seems that BCG is the key to avoid the COVID-19.

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The US approach to medicine cannot be defended because it is a treat to world health because it remains as a infectious focus or breeding ground for the next wave. Attacking in this point to China makes no sense because they succeeded in controlling it.